Sidney (Australia) – Un passo avanti contro la censura totale “all’australiana” viene richiesto in queste ore da Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA), organizzazione libertaria, che teme un ulteriore giro di vite dei censori.
EFA è intervenuta infatti nelle scorse ore nel pieno delle polemiche per l’imminente arrivo sui mercati di NARC, complesso videogioco poliziesco della Midway che introduce forse per la prima volta con tanto risalto diverse tipologie di stupefacenti in un game. L’andamento del gioco, l’ambientazione e i suoi ritmi sono associati alla reazione all’assunzione di droghe decisa dall’utente nel gioco, droga che può essere sequestrata ai trafficanti o rivenduta per guadagnare. Una questione che sta sollevando un vespaio in diversi paesi.
L’intervento di EFA si deve al fatto che l’Australia è uno dei pochi tra i paesi più sviluppati che non ha adottato un sistema di rating dei videogiochi simile o uguale a quello dei film, una situazione che può portare al rendere illegale la circolazione di un game qualora non venga ritenuto adatto alle classificazioni pensate per tutelare i minori. Un destino a cui sono già andati incontro alcuni titoli, come Manhunt : lo scorso ottobre le autorità di valutazione decisero nei fatti che il titolo era inadatto persino agli adulti .
Contro questa idea di Stato che dispone cosa sia adatto anche per chi da tempo è nella maggiore età si sta muovendo EFA, proponendo in occasione dell?arrivo di NARC l’aggiornamento del rating, in modo tale che possa circolare, sebbene sottoposto alle restrizioni a tutela dei minori.
Da parte sua l’ Office of Film & Literature Classification , che dispone il livello di rating per questi contenuti, si è limitato a far sapere che studierà il caso di NARC nei prossimi mesi, quando arriverà sul mercato. Per ora, dunque, gli adulti australiani dovranno accontentarsi di essere considerati adulti sì, ma fino ad un certo punto.
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- Scritto da: AdessoBasta> In> quest'ottica non vedo perché, molto presto,> internet, questo nemico dell'ordine costituito,> non debba essere messa al bando anche in Italia.Lo stanno gia' facendo.Piano, con discrezione, a botte di leggine anti-pirateria, anti-giornalismo, anti-pedofili e presto o tardi anche anti-anarco-insurrezionalisti (mi stupisce che non li abbiano gia' tirati fuori)Aspetta e vedrai.L'unica cosa che mi consola (da studioso del passato quale sono) e che quando i poteri fanno cosi' e' perche' stanno cedendo: e' un disperato aggrapparsi a "brandelli di potere", un cercare di chiudere tutto, di vietare tutto.Nella maggior parte dei casi la massa e' troppo decisa per farel cambiare idea e il potere crolla.Non che lo faccia senza danni, ma ad ogni modo non dura a lungo.CoDAnonimoRe: SIAMO DEGLI IPOCRITI! (E CRETINI)
> L'unica cosa che mi consola (da studioso del> passato quale sono) e che quando i poteri fanno> cosi' e' perche' stanno cedendo: e' un disperato> aggrapparsi a "brandelli di potere", un cercare> di chiudere tutto, di vietare tutto.> Nella maggior parte dei casi la massa e' troppo> decisa per farel cambiare idea e il potere> crolla.> Non che lo faccia senza danni, ma ad ogni modo> non dura a lungo.> > CoDUn poco Marxista o mi sembra solo? (da storico quale sei comprenderai che mi sto riferendo al modo di vedere la storia di Marx e non ti sto dando del Comunista o cose del genere). Io credo che tu possa avere ragione, anche se non condivido questa visione della storia. Posso consigliarti un'articolo interessante che propone un modo nuovo di lavorare sulla storia?C. Ansell e J. Padgett (1993), Robust action and the rise of the Medici 1400-1434, in ?American Journal of Sociology?, 98, 1259-1322Ma lo trovi anche su JSTOR...vedrai ti apre la menteAnonimoRe: SIAMO DEGLI IPOCRITI! (E CRETINI)
Hai un link?AnonimoQuanto siamo figli del Rinascimento?
> C. Ansell e J. Padgett (1993), Robust action and> the rise of the Medici 1400-1434, in ?American> Journal of Sociology?, 98, 1259-1322Appunto, Rinascimento, qualcosa che ha avuto un profondo impatto sulla cultura, ma i cui benefici NON si sono manifestati per la popolazione, che ha continuato a morire di fame e malattie ed a vivere in povertà ed ignoranza come nel medioevo, mentre i banchieri e i mercanti si arricchivano e le cattedrali si riempivano di affreschi stupendi visibili ai soli proprietari e ricchi ospiti...Il "rinascimento" che vediamo come visitatori di gallerie e musei e studiosi di trattati di alta (ed ESCLUSIVISSIMA) politica non è il rinascimento che è stato vissuto dalla popolazione lavoratrice che ha reso possibile tutto questo.Non sono sicuro che il Rinascimento sarebbe stato di più che un bell'esperimento culturale se non ci fosse stato in concomitanza la diffusione della polvere da sparo (rubata ai cinesi) e della navigazione oceanica (sotto la spinta dell'impero ottomano) che hanno portato l'occidente al colonialismo ed alla attuale posizione di egemonia tramite la violenza e la supremzia militare e tecnologica, aiutati da un bel pizzico di culo per le malattie endemiche che portavamo.Questa enorme fornace che richiedeva uomini e mezzi bene o male ha dato lavoro, e remunerativo, a generazioni di occidentali spingendo sempre verso una maggior richiesta di uomini, armi e mezzi e quindi è sfociata inevitabilmente nella rivoluzione industriale di tre secoli dopo per soddisfare le richieste crescenti di "mezzi di supremazia" sempre più potenti e precisi.Solo parecchio dopo la rivoluzione industriale, quando bene o male il colonialismo era più spartizione che conquista, questa enorme produzione di beni si è trovata ad essere eccessiva e si è dovuta rivolgere alle masse (fino a culminare nel saturarne i bisogni nella crisi del 1929), le cui condizioni di vita hanno cominciato a cambiare concretamente... non sembri assurdo, un secolo fa le speranze di vita e le cause di morte (a parte le grandi epidemie che fanno più notizia) erano più simili a quelle del medioevo e rinascimento che a quelle di oggi!Si può concludere che progresso e ripartizione degli utili non sempre vanno a braccetto, ma ora che l'informazione (e quindi anche QUESTA informazione) è uno dei tanti beni sovrabbondanti che sono stati svenduti alle masse, in che misura sarà ancora possibile? Forse di più? Forse di meno?AnonimoRe: SIAMO DEGLI IPOCRITI! (E CRETINI)
Eccomi di ritorno.Bella l'analisi del rinascimento anche se io intendevo tutt'altro.Con il mio post sopra intendevo dire che se il popolo decide di andare in una direzione (ad esempio quella della musica non protetta da copyright) non c'e' potere che riesca a fermarlo, anche se spesso ci prova.Pensate allo strapotere che aveva la chiesa cattolica romana... eppure ha dovuto aprire all'innovazione (per molto tempo ritenuta eretica) della bibbia in volgare.Le censure funzionano solo fino a che colpiscono una piccola parte della popolazione.CoDAnonimoNon in tutta la Cina
Giusto ieri ne parlavo con una ragazza che vive nello Sichuan, vicino allo Yunnan, che scrive sempre dal campus universitario. Mi diceva che si era parlato di questa eventualità ma che il rettore ha assicurato a tutti che da loro queste cose non si fanno.In effetti, la ragazza riesce a connettersi tranquillamente ad Amnesty International e via dicendo, e conferma che in Cina la situazione è tragica solo per certe province sfigate in mano a funzionari molto zelanti. Mi diceva anche poi che anche nelle province sfigate riuscire a fottere questi sistemi è facilissimo, solo che è meglo non parlarne molto, un po' come da noi col p2p :-)La situazione della libertà in Cina è ancora un problema, ma mano a mano che la nuova generazione sostituisce la vecchia nella politica e nella burocrazia, si assiste a un sostanziale e graduale miglioramento: anche da loro i giovani hanno tanta voglia di Occidente, e gran parte dei giovani segue le mode americane, hongkonghesi e giapponesi mostrando molto scontento quando questo o quel trombone burocrate gli vuole impedire qualcosa. Come da noi col p2p, mi dicono tutti che lo Stato colpisce un po' randome e soprattutto quelli che "esagerano", cioè che non anonimamente scrivono in continuazione e anche su carta stampata "ingiurie" su questo o quel governante: non è una bella cosa, ma non è nemmeno una supercensura generalizzata come può sembrare leggendo queste notizie che, ripeto, riguardano solo alcune province molto controllate e in odor di "rivolta".-- StefanoAnonimoRe: Non in tutta la Cina
Hai ragione.Passo parecchi mesi all'anno in Cina, ho anche sposato una cinese e non ho mai trovato alcun tipo di censura del tipo trattato nell'articolo.Anzi, mi sembra che le leggi piu' restrittive (non vorrei dire censura) siano in Italia.In Cina e' possibile scaricare tantissimi film gratuitamente (sia cinesi sia occidentali), l'adsl ha prezzi abbordabili per tutti: in pratica, tutti i cinesi guadagnano poco ma tutto costa poco. E non nella nostre proporzioni.A Tianjin ho conosciuto tanta gente, tutta con l'adsl a casa, idem nel Liaoning e nell'Hebei.Anche l'Hunan e lo Sichuan presenta la stessa situazione.A Pechino si trovano alberghi per cinesi anche a meno di 10 euro a notte, ovviamente forniti di connessione ad Internet.Beh, cosa dire? Semplicemente sono d'accordo.Ciao a tutti*Nota per eventuali reply a questo articolo: ricorda che non ho offeso nessuno."Ogni persona porta gioia: chi arrivando, chi andandosene" (proverbio cinese)AnonimoRe: Non in tutta la Cina
Sono belle notizie, che in fondo dicono quello che è ovvio, e cioé che tutto il mondo è paese.Quello che invece fa pensare è il bombardamento costante, su PI come su tutta la stampa in generale, di immagini negative della Cina: la Cina ed i lavoratori, la Cina e i diritti umani, la Cina e Internet, la Cina e ......Da qui a dire che la Cina è l'impero del male ci corre poco, e qualche voce che ricorda come il mondo reale non sia proprio uguale a quello dipinto, ci vuole.wowbaggerRe: Non in tutta la Cina
> Da qui a dire che la Cina è l'impero del male ci> corre poco, e qualche voce che ricorda come il> mondo reale non sia proprio uguale a quello> dipinto, ci vuole.la Cina è un paese sovraffollato che ha da sempre violato sistematicamente ogni tipo di accordo tra pasi civili ed ogni tipo di diritto umanoadesso però iniziano a fare gola una miliardata di potenziali consumatori di prodotti che sono in grado tra l'altro di produrre a costi irrisori per i pasciuti occidentali che non si fanno scrupoli a mettere per strada le personebella l'immagine della Cina che inizia un processo di modernizzazione e magari anche di concessione di diritti, ma i costi in termini di risorse ed inquinamento di tutto ciò?la terza guerra mondiale non è quella delle bombe con il fungo, ma quello che ci faremo per sopravvivereo forse questi Cinesi saranno in grado di trovare qualche fonte inesauribile di risorse che iniziano già a scarseggiare? e magari già che ci siamo troveranno anche il modo di produrre senza inquinare irreparabilmente il pianeta?il solito pessimista catastrofista?boh, ci rivedremo tra una trentina d'anniAnonimoRe: Non in tutta la Cina
- Scritto da: Anonimo> Hai ragione.> Passo parecchi mesi all'anno in Cina, ho anche> sposato una cinese e non ho mai trovato alcun> tipo di censura del tipo trattato nell'articolo.hai sposato una cinese?seriamente, curiosita' sociologica... come hai fatto con la lingua? cioe'... conoscere una persona e arrivare a sposarla con una barriera linguistica cosi' pesante non e' facile. Non per farmi i fattacci tuoi, ma dato che posti anonimo sarei curioso di saperne di piu', anche in privato.AnonimoRe: Non in tutta la Cina
- Scritto da: munehiro> no, mai, proprio perche' ho sempre ritenuto le> barriere linguistiche insuperabili. Innamorarsi> di una persona senza poter fare discorsi> complessi e' molto difficile, anche se pero' e'> evidente che c'e' molto di piu' da scoprire l'uno> dell'altro. Di un'italiana sai gia' molto> riguardo al suo stile di vita. Di una straniera> no, e ovviamente vale lo stesso per lei.Ciao, sono ancora io!Volevo solo aggiungere che i discorsi seri si riescono a fare (oppure sono troppo superficiale io).Ci sono cose che ti fanno superare anche queste barriere. Ti diro' la verita': ero anch'io seriamente prevenuto riguardo ai rapporti di questo tipo. Mi e' capitato, ed ammetto di esserne felice. Siamo diversi in tutto, ed ogni giorno si impara qualcosa di nuovo: a non infilare i bastoncini nel riso (in compenso i cinesi ruttano che e' un piacere), ad entrare nel tempio (buddista) con il piede sinistro (cmq lei entra in chiesa con rispetto), ...> quindi abiti li'. Come hai vissuto il cambiamento> di cultura? E' un mondo cosi' diverso> relativamente a clima, cucina, tradizioni,> interazione con la gente, religioni,> organizzazione statale.Scusa, ci siamo capiti male. Colpa mia. Il paese piu' bello del mondo e' l'Italia, con tutti i suoi difetti. Abito per circa sei mesi all'anno in Italia, ed e' stupenda.> si'. siamo "relativamente" off topic, ma il> discorso e' interessante e chiedo cortesemente al> moderatore di tenerlo vivo per un po'.> Fa piacere trovare persone educate ed intelligenti. Ti ringrazio per la chiacchierataciaoAnonimoRe: Non in tutta la Cina
> Ma non riesco a vedere la Cina come un nemico,> casomai come una opportunita'.Ovvio. Qualcuno diceva "tieniti stretto gli amici, ma i nemici tienili ancora piu' vicini". > Questo non mi sembra un discorso opportunista: i> diritti civili, in Cina, vengono violati al pari> di quanto succede negli altri Stati. Chi e' senza> peccato, scagli la prima pietra.Opinabile. La Cina è tristemente nota per non avere diritti civili riconosciuti e garantiti da una costituzione. Pensa che la sola proprietà privata, in forma molto blanda, è stata "ammessa" solo negli ultimi due-tre anni se non erro. In un tribunale non hai nemmeno la possibilità di avere una difesa. Diritti civili? Hmmm... ed il Tibet? Come la mettiamo?> Se hai una parabola, puoi benissimo ricevere> CCTV9, la televisione cinese in lingua inglese.> Ti accorgerai della precisione con cui vengono> date le notizie che riguardano i discorsi sui> diritti civili che la riguardano. Ti accorgerai> anche dell' obiettivita' con cui viene riportata,> per esempio, la situazione politica italiana o> statunitense.Ovvio. China Central TV, un po' come può essere obiettiva la nostra RAI. Si tratta di canali non indipendenti, con un alto grado di collateralismo e di partigianeria nei confronti del potere. Ovviamente hanno una selezione delle news diametralmente opposta rispetto ai canoni occidentali. Loro sono "l'altro", "l'alternativa". Personalmente stavo effettuando una ricerca su come i temi populistici ricorrano con una frequenza spaventosa proprio sulle frequenze di CCTV9. Basta notare le rubriche scientifico-tecnologiche: parlano -unicamente- della grandiosità della ricerca made in China. Quando non sanno neanche quanti malati di AIDS hanno tra i loro confini.> > Con questo non voglio dire che la Cina sia il> paradiso in terra, assolutamente. Sono ben> cosciente di abitare in un Paese che, se non e'> il piu' bello del mondo, comunque si piazza bene.Hai ragione al 100% :) La Cina è un paese splendido.> La mia sensazione e' che siamo noi, spesso, a> difendere i nostri privilegi. I paesi> occidentali, consumano tuttora la maggior parte> delle risorse del pianeta, anche se la> popolazione che li abita e' esigua rispetto al> resto del mondo.La Cina è sulla buona, buonissima strada per diventare il paese piu' popoloso e più esoso in quanto a richieste di risorse. Non so se hai seguito la vicenda, ma l'innanlzamento dei prezzi del petrolio è dovuto anche alla crescita vertiginosa del mercato automobilistico cinese.> Chiedo scusa per il discorso fuori tema, e chiedo> scusa per essere troppo "di parte". Vorrei> comunque ribadire che rispetto tutte le opinioni,> a maggior ragione quelle contrarie alla mia.Una bellissima discussione invece :)AnonimoRe: Non in tutta la Cina
Ma dico, stai scherzando? La censura è promossa a livello politico. Si tratta di una necessità. Non guardare che, mediamente e per motivi legati alla tradizione, il cinese modello (reduce da secoli e secoli di confucianesimo) è molto ligio al dovere. Ma in Cina, sui motori di ricerca ufficiali, parole semplici come "democrazia", risultano "presenti in zero pagine". Viene da domandarsi come mai, in un paese con 100 milioni di utenti internet, una parola tanto comune quanto innocua non venga indicizzata. Ma non è censura, certo.Che ti devo dire, sei stato fortunato a non avere riscontrato problemi. Le "province sfigate" sono dappertutto. E ti ricordo che la Cina non è soltanto il Sichuan, che tra le altre è una regione piuttosto regredita rispetto alla "Cina moderna" costiera. Poi scusami, come la mettiamo col culto del Falun Gong? Non è censura quella? Prova a parlarne, in Cina, e vedrai che non è come "discutere del P2P". Certo, esistono escamotage vari (alcuni realizzati addirittura da occidentali) per permettere di oltrepassare la "grande muraglia" di firewall, che tra l'altro continua la tradizione tipicamente cinese di isolazionismo ed etnocentrismo culturale, ma da qui a dire che non esiste censura... ci vuole un bello stomaco!AnonimoRe: Non in tutta la Cina
> funzionari molto zelanti. > Mi diceva anche poi che anche nelle province> sfigate riuscire a fottere questi sistemi è> facilissimo, solo che è meglo non parlarne molto,> un po' come da noi col p2p :-)certo solo che da noi con il p2p in carcere peril momento non ci finisci, li dipende come gli girac'é poco da ridereAnonimoNe hanno ammazzati un po ....
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