E adesso Microsoft accusa Google di frode

Continua lo scontro sui presunti "furti di click" ai danni di Google da parte del motore di ricerca Bing. Redmond ribadisce: noi non copiamo, punto e basta

Roma – Non contenti di aver risposto in lungo e in largo alle accuse di Google sul presunto “furto di click” operato dalla barra di ricerca di Bing per Internet Explorer, quelli di Microsoft continuano a ribadire il punto accusando a loro volta Google di voler portare avanti una vera e propria truffa pur di danneggiare l’immagine del motore concorrente .

Dopo l’intervento di Harry Shum, il primo ad aver subito l’accusa di “click-theft” faccia a faccia con Matt Cutts di Google durante la manifestazione Farsight 2011 , un altro vicepresidente di Microsoft torna sulla questione riaffermando l’estraneità di Redmond ai fatti ascrittigli da Mountain View.

“Noi non copiano i risultati da nessuno dei nostri concorrenti. Punto. Fine”, scrive Yusuf Mehdi, rimarcando come “alcune delle migliori menti del mondo” siano al lavoro sul motore di ricerca Bing: accusarle di fare un banale copia e incolla sul lavoro altrui è semplicemente “insultante”.

Dice la sua sulla questione anche il direttore del progetto Bing Stefan Weitz, nella cui opinione le “indagini” di Google sono un banale – ancorché riuscito – “sotterfugio” che non prende volutamente in considerazione la complessità degli algoritmi di ranking adottati dall’engine Microsoft – e da qualsiasi altro motore di ricerca sul web.

Dei termini “fasulli” studiati da Google per scovare il presunto furto di click a opera di Bing, dice Weitz, il 93 per cento non ha restituito risultati identici come invece avrebbe dovuto se Microsoft avesse davvero copiato pedissequamente i click degli utenti come sostiene Mountain View.

Alla perplessità di Weitz fa da contraltare l’opinione – ancora più forte – di Mehdi, il quale paragona le azioni di Google a quelle degli spammer interessati a manipolare i risultati delle ricerche sul web per migliorare il ranking dei siti spazzatura. Quella di Google è una vera e propria “click fraud”, sostiene Mehdi, un’azione scomposta da parte di un concorrente che comincia a sentire il fiato sul collo dei miglioramenti di Bing.

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    • krane scrive:
      Re: peccato che non abbia una sandbox
      - Scritto da: suc
      Siamo nel 2011 e Firefox non ha ancora uno
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    • Fai il login o Registrati scrive:
      Re: MA LOL!
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      Re: MA LOL!
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      Re: hotmail-bug
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  • ROTFL scrive:
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      Re: Ma chissenebiip di hotmail
      Che MS abbia incasinato Hotmail proprio per dar fastidio ai browser concorrenti???
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        - Scritto da: Postribulo
        Che MS abbia incasinato Hotmail proprio per dar
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        • il solito bene informato scrive:
          Re: Ma chissenebiip di hotmail
          - Scritto da: Mariottide
          Che firefox, da baraccone quale è, abbia delle
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          • Mariottide scrive:
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            - Scritto da: il solito bene informato
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            - Scritto da: il solito bene informato
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        - Scritto da: Postribulo
        Che MS abbia incasinato Hotmail proprio per dar
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        • pippo75 scrive:
          Re: Ma chissenebiip di hotmail

          Non sarebbe una novità, MS conosce queste
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          • zanzibar scrive:
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            - Scritto da: pippo75

            Non sarebbe una novità, MS conosce queste

            "tecniche" fin dai tempi dello scherzone fatto a

            DR-DOS, che stranamente non si installava su win

            3.1...

            vero, il drdos non si installava su win 3.1 ma il
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            si.

            non ricordo se era il 3.1 o il 3.11 ma dicevano
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            cmq se FF si ferma per un bug indica che vogliono
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          • GUESTAMELO scrive:
            Re: Ma chissenebiip di hotmail
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          • Emoticon e video scrive:
            Re: Ma chissenebiip di hotmail
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          • Darwin scrive:
            Re: Ma chissenebiip di hotmail
            - Scritto da: Emoticon e video
            (ma
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          • aldo b scrive:
            Re: Ma chissenebiip di hotmail
            - Scritto da: pippo75
            non ricordo se era il 3.1 o il 3.11 ma dicevano
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          • pippo75 scrive:
            Re: Ma chissenebiip di hotmail
            - Scritto da: aldo b
            - Scritto da: pippo75

            non ricordo se era il 3.1 o il 3.11 ma dicevano

            che girasse meglio su DrDos che su

            MsDos.

            drdos dava problemi. io c'ero...con drdos avevo 3 configurazioni alla partenza erano da scegliere, di cui una specifica per windows.sono passati anni, non ricordo bene tutto, se non sbaglio si doveva far caricare emm386.exe e himem.sys presenti nella directory di windows e tutto funzionava. ( drdos 5.qualcosa ).
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      Nel 2011 la usano solo i luser e quelli usano IE,
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      • il solito bene informato scrive:
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        - Scritto da: ROTFL

        Nel 2011 la usano solo i luser e quelli usano
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        lasciateli al loro destino di

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        Eh si proprio irrilevanti....
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      • Aldo Naso scrive:
        Re: Ma chissenebiip di hotmail
        lo utilizzano come indirizzo di posta sfigato da fornire per l'acXXXXX a qualche sito XXXXX :)
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