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Politiche di sviluppo+investimenti+politiche commerciali (sia pubbliche che private) come si fa a meravigliarsi se siamo agli ultimi posti?

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- Scritto da: tucumcari> Politiche di sviluppo+investimenti+politiche> commerciali (sia pubbliche che private) come si> fa a meravigliarsi se siamo agli ultimi> posti?La banda larga se la possono anche pagare i privati con le loro tasche, così la prende a chi serve.Negli anni '60 dalle mie parti i palazzi venivano comprati da gruppi di futuri inquilini che costituivano delle cooperative.Allora facciano qualcosa di simile e paghino insieme per far stendere i cavi dalle loro parti.Ma perché dobbiamo avere la banda larga anche in zone dove la gente non la vuole? La dobbiamo pagare tutti insieme?Io per esempio ho una linea a 100 megabit, prima avevo una connessione in dial up con un modem trust da 14.400. Mi sembra che tra le due linee non ci sia questa gran differenza in termini di servizi essenziali per il cittadino: leggere, scrivere e collegarsi con i servizi della PA. Quel di più che mi dà la fibra ottica riguarda solo i servizi frivoli e giustamente la pago come uno paga Sky o altre robe commerciali.

Re: facendo la somma
- Scritto da: Dottor Stranamore> - Scritto da: tucumcari> > Politiche di sviluppo+investimenti+politiche> > commerciali (sia pubbliche che private) come> > si fa a meravigliarsi se siamo agli ultimi posti?> La banda larga se la possono anche pagare i> privati con le loro tasche, così la prende a > chi serve.> Negli anni '60 dalle mie parti i palazzi venivano> comprati da gruppi di futuri inquilini che> costituivano delle cooperative.Ma allora anche le strade, le linee ferroviare, le stazioni di polizia.Poi facciamo che dividere le zone in piccoli feudi ed allo stato centralizzato non ci si pensa piu'.> Allora facciano qualcosa di simile e paghino> insieme per far stendere i cavi dalle loro> parti.> Ma perché dobbiamo avere la banda larga anche in> zone dove la gente non la vuole? La dobbiamo> pagare tutti insieme?Perche' si deve far passare una linea ad alta velocita' dove la gente non la vuole ? Zitto e muto altrimenti ti mandano gli alpini a difendere le ruspe che passano i cavi.> Io per esempio ho una linea a 100 megabit, prima> avevo una connessione in dial up con un modem> trust da 14.400. Mi sembra che tra le due linee> non ci sia questa gran differenza in termini di> servizi essenziali per il cittadino: leggere,> scrivere e collegarsi con i servizi della PA.Telemedicina e telelavoro non sono essenziali vero ? Basta la tv a coprire ogni esigenza ?> Quel di più che mi dà la fibra ottica riguarda> solo i servizi frivoli e giustamente la pago come> uno paga Sky o altre robe commerciali.Questo e' il problema di abitare nel 3' mondo.

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- Scritto da: krane> Telemedicina e telelavoro non sono essenziali> vero ? Basta la tv a coprire ogni esigenza> ?La telemedicina la fai da casa tua (rotfl)Il telelavoro è una XXXXXta, la gente deve lavorare insieme, incontrarsi in corridoio, discutere faccia a faccia.Il resto che hai scritto non l'ho letto, ma immagino che sia la solita fuffa.

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- Scritto da: Dottor Stranamore> - Scritto da: tucumcari> > Politiche di sviluppo+investimenti+politiche> > commerciali (sia pubbliche che private) come> si> > fa a meravigliarsi se siamo agli ultimi> > posti?> > La banda larga se la possono anche pagare i> privati con le loro tasche, così la prende a chi> serve.Perché a te risulta che la banda (larga o stretta che sia) la paghi lo stato?No... perché se ti risulta così mi sa che ti sei perso qualche pezzo per strada! > Negli anni '60 dalle mie parti i palazzi venivano> comprati da gruppi di futuri inquilini che> costituivano delle> cooperative.> > Allora facciano qualcosa di simile e paghino> insieme per far stendere i cavi dalle loro> parti.Perfetto!Non si chiede di meglio l'acXXXXX comune a pari condizioni a ciò che è già un bene comune!Non l'acXXXXX riservato agli OLO! > > Ma perché dobbiamo avere la banda larga anche in> zone dove la gente non la vuole? La dobbiamo> pagare tutti> insieme?E chi lo ha detto non la paghi e non la hai!Dove sta il problema?> > Io per esempio ho una linea a 100 megabit, prima> avevo una connessione in dial up con un modem> trust da 14.400. Mi sembra che tra le due linee> non ci sia questa gran differenza in termini di> servizi essenziali per il cittadino: leggere,> scrivere e collegarsi con i servizi della PA.> Quel di più che mi dà la fibra ottica riguarda> solo i servizi frivoli e giustamente la pago come> uno paga Sky o altre robe> commerciali.Il problema è solo se puoi averla o no!Il fatto che tu sia disposto a pagarla non significa (oggi) che puoi averla!Al contrario le 2 cose sono totalmente indipendenti perché non dipendono affatto da una TUA decisione ma da quelle di altri.Non è che ci vuole tanto a capirlo è un fatto che hai sotto agli occhi!mah!A me me pari più "strano" che amore!Che ne dici di un cambio di nik?

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... l'ha prescritto il dottore che bisogna usare internet per forza? c'è gente che se ne sbatte bellamente di internet e non ci vedo niente di male

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Re: Meglio di quel che mi aspettavo
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