La danza della bolletta

Ne parla un lettore, ammaliato dalla suadente voce di un'operatrice che veicolava un'offerta di risparmio di sicuro interesse. Firmato il contratto, passa del tempo ed arriva la bolletta. Sorpresa!

Roma – Gentile direttore, trovo incredibile che al giorno d’oggi alcune compagnie telefoniche riescano, nonostante la totale inettitudine dei loro operatori, nell’essere tali, a sopravvivere… Merito della loro potenza, sicuramente, e di spalle larghe a tal punto da riuscire a reggere tutti quei grattacapi, che noi poveri utenti, con la nostra disinformazione e con il nostro essere refrattari alle molteplici sfumature dei piani tariffari, costantemente gli infliggiamo, costringendo queste povere compagnie telefoniche a del super-lavoro (del tutto inutile, in verità). Ma loro, potenze economiche, per noi utenti fanno questo ed altro. Bravi!

Prendiamo il mio caso ad esempio, un caso come ne ho sentiti davvero molti, ed è per questo che sono davvero fiero di avere come operatore, questa grande azienda che con bonarietà infinita, perdona ogni mio errore, come quello di milioni di altro utenti, e continua a lavorare per loro. Il fatto, nel suo essere grottesco, è molto buffo.

Tutto comincia, non a caso, proprio con una telefonata.
La mia compagnia telefonica è davvero premurosa, e ogni qualvolta essa trovi un modo per farmi risparmiare me lo comunica con una telefonata; qualsiasi piccola inflessione delle tariffe, qualsiasi novità sui vari contratti, prodotti, o profili tariffari, essa è sempre pronta ad avvertirmi e farmi proposte commerciali sempre più vantaggiose.

Qualsiasi cosa io stia facendo: un sonnellino, una doccia, una cosuccia intima con la ma ragazza, a qualsiasi ora del giorno e della notte (bravi davvero, sempre operativi!) la mia compagnia mi telefona, perché il risparmio è importante, ella agisce per il mio bene. E così, quella sera, verso le nove, (stavo fortunatamente guardando un dvd che ho potuto mettere in pausa) mi ha telefonato una gentilissima signorina della mia compagnia telefonica, informandomi che giorni felici mi attendevano, con un particolare piano tariffario a contratto.
Avrei potuto lasciare la mia carta pre-pagata, sul cellulare, in favore di un abbonamento mensile “flat” (ovverosia a tariffa fissa, un forfait, insomma) da 15 euro al mese.

In questi 15 euro al mese, mi dice, sarebbe stato compreso un traffico praticamente illimitato di urbane, interurbane e chiamate verso cellulari con mio stesso operatore, una cosa da leccarsi i baffi! Allora, voglio acconsentire? La gentile operatrice era disponibile a cambiare il mio profilo tariffario seduta stante.
Il risparmio, prima lo si mette in atto, meglio è.
Ma… obietto io… e le chiamate verso gli altri operatori? Mi dice che la tariffa in effetti esula dal canone, ma è competitiva rispetto agli altri operatori, non specificando meglio il grado di competitività.
Glielo chiedo, e lei, pronta, mi comunica il dato.

Un altro dubbio mi sorge, ed è quel “praticamente” illimitato, cosa significa? Che posso stare 24/24 ore al telefono entro il costo di 15 euro? In effetti no, c’è un limite, mi dice l’operatrice, di 400 minuti di conversazione, ma la mia compagnia telefonica, si è premurata di stimare che 400 minuti, sono un numero “praticamente illimitato” rispetto ad un traffico dignitoso mensile, e in particolare rispetto al mio.

Brava la mia compagnia telefonica! Ha già fatto i conti per me, ve l’ho detto, mi coccola come un pupo! Mentalmente faccio anch’io un po’ di conti, velocemente per non far attendere troppo la gentile operatrice, e vedo che ha ragione! Io spendo in media un 25 euro ogni due mesi, che sono 12.50 euro al mese, ma telefono poco e solo quando è necessario, e con 15 euro (solo 2.50 euro in più) mi potrei concedere di telefonare alla mia ragazza anche solo per salutarla, anche le volte in cui allora pensavo “meglio risparmiare”, si sa, son tempi duri, meno male che la mia compagnia telefonica mi accudisce, da quel punto di vista.

In ogni caso però, noto che sono già due le cose che sono emerse solo dalla mia curiosità, e di cui la gentile operatrice non avrebbe fatto parola di sua spontanea volontà, una svista senz’altro, così le chiedo se cortesemente mi può spedire a casa un prospetto informativo cartaceo, in modo che possa esaminarlo con cura.

Pare non sia possibile, ma posso sempre informarmi sul loro sito.
Ci penso ed in effetti, la mia richiesta mi pare davvero scortese, già il loro impegno è evidente, mi chiamano a casa apposta per migliorarmi la vita, e lo fanno, immagino, con ogni utente, e gli utenti sono davvero molti, se ogni utente chiedesse un prospetto informativo cartaceo la mia compagnia telefonica fallirebbe, affondata dai costi di spedizione postali, quantomeno, e io le sono affezionato, chi mi farà risparmiare poi? Non voglio che questo accada, per cui decido, essendo piuttosto impegnato lavorativamente (son tempi duri) che informarmi sul sito richiederebbe troppo tempo da parte mia, per cui tento di saperne di più almeno verbalmente dall’operatrice, e così le riassumo.

“Allora, vediamo se ho capito, 15 euro al mese, 400 minuti di conversazione verso mio operatore, urbane interurbane, mentre verso gli altri operatori ho una tariffa conveniente anche rispetto alla mia di ora, giusto?”
“Esatto!” mi conferma l’operatrice in tono gioviale.
“Ma”, obietto ancora quasi vergognandomi della mia poca fiducia “non c’è davvero nessun’ altra spesa oltre al canone?”
“nessun’altra spesa.” mi rassicura l’operatrice.
“Magari l’ IVA…” suggerisco timidamente.
“Il canone è comprensivo dell’iva” mi dice in tono bonario lei.
“Ma nemmeno una spesuccia-uccia extra?” sono incredulo, questa volta la mia compagnia ha fatto davvero il colpaccio! mi farà risparmiare un sacco di soldi!
“No, nessun’altra spesa, solo questo canone fisso di 15 euro al mese…”
mi dice l’ennesima volta in tono paziente l’operatrice.

Sono davvero mortificato, ma mi viene un ulteriore dubbio… “Ma, e i minuti eccedenti dai 400?” chiedo desiderando scomparire dalla faccia del pianeta.
Ma l’operatrice è davvero professionale, e con una controllatissima calma mi dice che li pagherò a parte, come per gli altri operatori, ovviamente, ad una tariffa sempre conveniente rispetto al mio attuale piano tariffario.
Mi pare ovvio e corretto. Non credo supererò mai i 400 minuti fatidici, ma se avverrà, giustamente pagherò l’extra.
Così mi lascio andare alla suadente voce dell’operatrice e acconsento a far diventare la mia prepagata, un’autentica cornucopia di conversazioni telefoniche.

L’operatrice mi dice che la cosa non sarà immediata (evidentemente il trasbordo comporta chissà quale consistente lavoro, e mi sento, se possibile, ancora più in colpa) e passerà un incaricato a farmi firmare un modulo. Infatti, tre settimane dopo mi telefona l’incaricato (alle 9 di sera, interrompendo solo un’altro film in dvd, sono quasi tentato di essere stizzito per l’orario, ma penso: lui stesso sta lavorando a quell’ora solo per il mio bene, e mi dò subito dell’egoista).
Prendiamo un appuntamento, e l’incaricato, un ragazzo di bell’aspetto molto cortese si presenta con il modulo da firmare, su di esso non v’è traccia delle caratteristiche del mio nuovo profilo tariffario, quasi non lo leggo, ormai mi fido ciecamente della mia compagnia telefonica, e firmo.
In due settimane, mi informa l’incaricato, potrò cominciare la mia nuova vita telefonica! Molto bene. Questo accadeva circa due mesi e mezzo fa.
Ieri invece è accaduto che mi è giunta la mia prima bolletta.
Già una lettera, che mi era arrivata un paio di settimane fa mi faceva presagire eventi negativi. Nella lettera mi si informava che nella prima bolletta avrei visto conteggiate delle voci che nelle bollette successive non sarebbero più state presenti, come ad esempio una tassa governativa che mi sarebbe comunque stata risarcita in seguito.

Nulla di preoccupante, cosa sarà mai? oltretutto mi verrà risarcita. Però il fatto di non averlo saputo prima un po’ mi rodeva. Colpa mia senz’altro, totalmente ottenebrato dalla suadente voce dell’operatrice, semplicemente non avrò sentito mentre me lo diceva.

In ogni caso, dicevo, arriva la bolletta, e apro la busta con il sorriso sulle labbra, so di non aver oltrepassato la soglia dei 400 minuti, per cui mi appresto a gioire alla vista del solo canone mensile di 15 euro, più la tassa governativa che comunque mi verrà rimborsata.

Guardo l’importo e il sorriso sulle labbra permane, e ancora adesso mentre scrivo, mi è difficile togliermelo dalla faccia, praticamente una paresi: l’ammontare della bolletta è di 193 euro e moneta.

Ho un attimo di smarrimento e penso ad un errore, in effetti, penso, non ho avuto un gran risparmio da quast’operazione, e questo è impossibile, perché la mia compagnia telefonica mi ama, e mi vuole come utente, non mi farebbe mai nulla di tutto ciò.
Prima di tutto faccio la cosa che avrei dovuto fare all’ inizio: controllo le condizioni dell’offerta sul sito. Scopro che la mia tariffa, fa riferimento ironicamente (suppongo) al rilassamento, anzi, la tariffa che più si avvicina alla mia fa riferimento al rilassamento, perché tra quelle presenti la mia non c’è.

Chiamo il numero verde, e un’ altrettanto cortese operatrice mi dice che in effetti il mio piano tariffario differisce leggermente da quello sul sito, che prevede l’acquisto di un telefonino UMTS.
Io il telefonino già lo possedevo, per cui è ovvio che il piano tariffario differisca. In ogni caso sul sito, non si fanno cenni alla tassa governativa, così chiedo, e in effetti mi verrà rimborsata, sotto forma di “buono minuti di conversazione eccedente dai famosi 400 minuti”.

“Scusi” obietto sempre timidamente, “ma nel caso che io non ecceda?”
“Ah, in quel caso allora è chiaro che purtroppo lei va a perdere il nostro rimborso!” mi dice comprensivamente lei.

In effetti è chiaro, penso, avrei dovuto immaginarlo, ora non so su quali basi, non mi viene in mente, ma sicuramente l’errore è mio, perché la mia compagnia telefonica è infallibile.

“Vedo anche che ci sono ben 31 euro di sms” dico all’operatrice… “è chiaro che gli sms sono esclusi dal canone di 15 euro, in quest’offerta… ”
L’operatrice mi conferma che è ovvio, e io, guardando quel “31.00” sulla bolletta, non posso che convenire con lei che ora si, è piuttosto ovvio.
Ma… leggo che la tassa governativa è di 15 euro e qualcosa, ma nella bolletta sono 25…
“Si” conferma lei, “15 sono di un mese intero, 10 sono relativi ad una frazione di mese, il primo, da quando ho sottoscritto il contratto.”
Concludo che ci sono 15 euro di tassa governativa al mese, rimborsati sotto forma di buono minuti conversazione telefonica eccedenti ai 400, che se però non sfrutto, pago.
“Ah, quindi il mio canone fisso, in quel caso, diventa di 30 euro, giusto?” chiedo, e all’altro capo del filo telefonico, un eloquente silenzio.
È chiaro.
“Vedo qui anche 11 euro di IVA, mi era stato detto che era compresa nel canone…”
“Sì, ma quella è l’iva riferita all’ importo delle altre voci, se la calcola vedrà che è corretta!”

Non mi sarei mai sognato di dubitare, per cui proseguo.

Sulla bolletta spiccava inoltre la voce “anticipo conversazioni” di 103 euro, una sorta di “caparra”, che mi verrà restituita al mio recedere del contratto, “voglio sperare non in buoni telefonici” dico all’operatrice in tono preoccupato, ma no, mi rassicura lei, mi ritorneranno sotto forma di assegno bancario, in un tempo variabile dai due mesi a… oltranza, mi pare di capire.

Ma come abbiamo ben visto, non sempre capisco bene ciò che le operatrici mi dicono, colpa della loro voce, che mi ammalia… sono una persona sensibile, cosa vi devo dire? Nel sito vedo anche scritto che possiamo controllare la nostra “posizione” (minuti eccedenti, minuti residui, profilo tariffario eccetera) al numero 4916.

Ho provato, ma mi si dice che il mio profilo non prevede quel servizio, ma è anche vero, che l’esatto profilo tariffario mio, sul sito non c’è, per cui è ovvio, (come per il resto) che devo attingere da qualche altra parte queste di informazioni, ma non saprei dire dove, in effetti non sono molto avvezzo a barcamenarmi nel mondo della telefonia mobile.

In ogni caso, concludo che quello che mi fa “rilassare” non è il piano tariffario che fa per me, e chiedo umilmente di tornare, solo dopo i primi due mesi, alla mia vecchia scheda prepagata.

L’operatrice mi dice che non c’è problema, può farlo subito, è molto comprensiva, ma io so che ora l’aspetta del lavoro inutile, del lavoro in più, oltre a quello che già sta facendo, per riportare il mio telefono alle condizioni precedenti, e questo solo perché io non ho saputo valutare bene l’offerta propostami dalla sua collega…

Mi spiace molto, mi scuso con la mia compagnia telefonica, per la mia incapacità di comprendere le ovvietà di questo meraviglioso mondo telefonico.

Lettera firmata a danza della bolletta –> Roma – Gentile direttore, trovo incredibile che al giorno d’oggi alcune compagnie telefoniche riescano, nonostante la totale inettitudine dei loro operatori, nell’essere tali, a sopravvivere… Merito della loro potenza, sicuramente, e di spalle larghe a tal punto da riuscire a reggere tutti quei grattacapi, che noi poveri utenti, con la nostra disinformazione e con il nostro essere refrattari alle molteplici sfumature dei piani tariffari, costantemente gli infliggiamo, costringendo queste povere compagnie telefoniche a del super-lavoro (del tutto inutile, in verità). Ma loro, potenze economiche, per noi utenti fanno questo ed altro. Bravi!

Prendiamo il mio caso ad esempio, un caso come ne ho sentiti davvero molti, ed è per questo che sono davvero fiero di avere come operatore, questa grande azienda che con bonarietà infinita, perdona ogni mio errore, come quello di milioni di altro utenti, e continua a lavorare per loro. Il fatto, nel suo essere grottesco, è molto buffo.

Tutto comincia, non a caso, proprio con una telefonata.
La mia compagnia telefonica è davvero premurosa, e ogni qualvolta essa trovi un modo per farmi risparmiare me lo comunica con una telefonata; qualsiasi piccola inflessione delle tariffe, qualsiasi novità sui vari contratti, prodotti, o profili tariffari, essa è sempre pronta ad avvertirmi e farmi proposte commerciali sempre più vantaggiose.

Qualsiasi cosa io stia facendo: un sonnellino, una doccia, una cosuccia intima con la ma ragazza, a qualsiasi ora del giorno e della notte (bravi davvero, sempre operativi!) la mia compagnia mi telefona, perché il risparmio è importante, ella agisce per il mio bene. E così, quella sera, verso le nove, (stavo fortunatamente guardando un dvd che ho potuto mettere in pausa) mi ha telefonato una gentilissima signorina della mia compagnia telefonica, informandomi che giorni felici mi attendevano, con un particolare piano tariffario a contratto.
Avrei potuto lasciare la mia carta pre-pagata, sul cellulare, in favore di un abbonamento mensile “flat” (ovverosia a tariffa fissa, un forfait, insomma) da 15 euro al mese.

In questi 15 euro al mese, mi dice, sarebbe stato compreso un traffico praticamente illimitato di urbane, interurbane e chiamate verso cellulari con mio stesso operatore, una cosa da leccarsi i baffi! Allora, voglio acconsentire? La gentile operatrice era disponibile a cambiare il mio profilo tariffario seduta stante.
Il risparmio, prima lo si mette in atto, meglio è.
Ma… obietto io… e le chiamate verso gli altri operatori? Mi dice che la tariffa in effetti esula dal canone, ma è competitiva rispetto agli altri operatori, non specificando meglio il grado di competitività.
Glielo chiedo, e lei, pronta, mi comunica il dato.

Un altro dubbio mi sorge, ed è quel “praticamente” illimitato, cosa significa? Che posso stare 24/24 ore al telefono entro il costo di 15 euro? In effetti no, c’è un limite, mi dice l’operatrice, di 400 minuti di conversazione, ma la mia compagnia telefonica, si è premurata di stimare che 400 minuti, sono un numero “praticamente illimitato” rispetto ad un traffico dignitoso mensile, e in particolare rispetto al mio.

Brava la mia compagnia telefonica! Ha già fatto i conti per me, ve l’ho detto, mi coccola come un pupo! Mentalmente faccio anch’io un po’ di conti, velocemente per non far attendere troppo la gentile operatrice, e vedo che ha ragione! Io spendo in media un 25 euro ogni due mesi, che sono 12.50 euro al mese, ma telefono poco e solo quando è necessario, e con 15 euro (solo 2.50 euro in più) mi potrei concedere di telefonare alla mia ragazza anche solo per salutarla, anche le volte in cui allora pensavo “meglio risparmiare”, si sa, son tempi duri, meno male che la mia compagnia telefonica mi accudisce, da quel punto di vista.

In ogni caso però, noto che sono già due le cose che sono emerse solo dalla mia curiosità, e di cui la gentile operatrice non avrebbe fatto parola di sua spontanea volontà, una svista senz’altro, così le chiedo se cortesemente mi può spedire a casa un prospetto informativo cartaceo, in modo che possa esaminarlo con cura.

Pare non sia possibile, ma posso sempre informarmi sul loro sito.
Ci penso ed in effetti, la mia richiesta mi pare davvero scortese, già il loro impegno è evidente, mi chiamano a casa apposta per migliorarmi la vita, e lo fanno, immagino, con ogni utente, e gli utenti sono davvero molti, se ogni utente chiedesse un prospetto informativo cartaceo la mia compagnia telefonica fallirebbe, affondata dai costi di spedizione postali, quantomeno, e io le sono affezionato, chi mi farà risparmiare poi? Non voglio che questo accada, per cui decido, essendo piuttosto impegnato lavorativamente (son tempi duri) che informarmi sul sito richiederebbe troppo tempo da parte mia, per cui tento di saperne di più almeno verbalmente dall’operatrice, e così le riassumo.

“Allora, vediamo se ho capito, 15 euro al mese, 400 minuti di conversazione verso mio operatore, urbane interurbane, mentre verso gli altri operatori ho una tariffa conveniente anche rispetto alla mia di ora, giusto?”
“Esatto!” mi conferma l’operatrice in tono gioviale.
“Ma”, obietto ancora quasi vergognandomi della mia poca fiducia “non c’è davvero nessun’ altra spesa oltre al canone?”
“nessun’altra spesa.” mi rassicura l’operatrice.
“Magari l’ IVA…” suggerisco timidamente.
“Il canone è comprensivo dell’iva” mi dice in tono bonario lei.
“Ma nemmeno una spesuccia-uccia extra?” sono incredulo, questa volta la mia compagnia ha fatto davvero il colpaccio! mi farà risparmiare un sacco di soldi!
“No, nessun’altra spesa, solo questo canone fisso di 15 euro al mese…”
mi dice l’ennesima volta in tono paziente l’operatrice.

Sono davvero mortificato, ma mi viene un ulteriore dubbio… “Ma, e i minuti eccedenti dai 400?” chiedo desiderando scomparire dalla faccia del pianeta.
Ma l’operatrice è davvero professionale, e con una controllatissima calma mi dice che li pagherò a parte, come per gli altri operatori, ovviamente, ad una tariffa sempre conveniente rispetto al mio attuale piano tariffario.
Mi pare ovvio e corretto. Non credo supererò mai i 400 minuti fatidici, ma se avverrà, giustamente pagherò l’extra.
Così mi lascio andare alla suadente voce dell’operatrice e acconsento a far diventare la mia prepagata, un’autentica cornucopia di conversazioni telefoniche.

L’operatrice mi dice che la cosa non sarà immediata (evidentemente il trasbordo comporta chissà quale consistente lavoro, e mi sento, se possibile, ancora più in colpa) e passerà un incaricato a farmi firmare un modulo. Infatti, tre settimane dopo mi telefona l’incaricato (alle 9 di sera, interrompendo solo un’altro film in dvd, sono quasi tentato di essere stizzito per l’orario, ma penso: lui stesso sta lavorando a quell’ora solo per il mio bene, e mi dò subito dell’egoista).
Prendiamo un appuntamento, e l’incaricato, un ragazzo di bell’aspetto molto cortese si presenta con il modulo da firmare, su di esso non v’è traccia delle caratteristiche del mio nuovo profilo tariffario, quasi non lo leggo, ormai mi fido ciecamente della mia compagnia telefonica, e firmo.
In due settimane, mi informa l’incaricato, potrò cominciare la mia nuova vita telefonica! Molto bene. Questo accadeva circa due mesi e mezzo fa.Ieri invece è accaduto che mi è giunta la mia prima bolletta. Già una lettera, che mi era arrivata un paio di settimane fa mi faceva presagire eventi negativi. Nella lettera mi si informava che nella prima bolletta avrei visto conteggiate delle voci che nelle bollette successive non sarebbero più state presenti, come ad esempio una tassa governativa che mi sarebbe comunque stata risarcita in seguito.Nulla di preoccupante, cosa sarà mai? oltretutto mi verrà risarcita. Però il fatto di non averlo saputo prima un po’ mi rodeva. Colpa mia senz’altro, totalmente ottenebrato dalla suadente voce dell’operatrice, semplicemente non avrò sentito mentre me lo diceva.In ogni caso, dicevo, arriva la bolletta, e apro la busta con il sorriso sulle labbra, so di non aver oltrepassato la soglia dei 400 minuti, per cui mi appresto a gioire alla vista del solo canone mensile di 15 euro, più la tassa governativa che comunque mi verrà rimborsata.Guardo l’importo e il sorriso sulle labbra permane, e ancora adesso mentre scrivo, mi è difficile togliermelo dalla faccia, praticamente una paresi: l’ammontare della bolletta è di 193 euro e moneta.Ho un attimo di smarrimento e penso ad un errore, in effetti, penso, non ho avuto un gran risparmio da quast’operazione, e questo è impossibile, perché la mia compagnia telefonica mi ama, e mi vuole come utente, non mi farebbe mai nulla di tutto ciò.Prima di tutto faccio la cosa che avrei dovuto fare all’ inizio: controllo le condizioni dell’offerta sul sito. Scopro che la mia tariffa, fa riferimento ironicamente (suppongo) al rilassamento, anzi, la tariffa che più si avvicina alla mia fa riferimento al rilassamento, perché tra quelle presenti la mia non c’è.Chiamo il numero verde, e un’ altrettanto cortese operatrice mi dice che in effetti il mio piano tariffario differisce leggermente da quello sul sito, che prevede l’acquisto di un telefonino UMTS. Io il telefonino già lo possedevo, per cui è ovvio che il piano tariffario differisca. In ogni caso sul sito, non si fanno cenni alla tassa governativa, così chiedo, e in effetti mi verrà rimborsata, sotto forma di “buono minuti di conversazione eccedente dai famosi 400 minuti”.”Scusi” obietto sempre timidamente, “ma nel caso che io non ecceda?””Ah, in quel caso allora è chiaro che purtroppo lei va a perdere il nostro rimborso!” mi dice comprensivamente lei.In effetti è chiaro, penso, avrei dovuto immaginarlo, ora non so su quali basi, non mi viene in mente, ma sicuramente l’errore è mio, perché la mia compagnia telefonica è infallibile.”Vedo anche che ci sono ben 31 euro di sms” dico all’operatrice… “è chiaro che gli sms sono esclusi dal canone di 15 euro, in quest’offerta… “L’operatrice mi conferma che è ovvio, e io, guardando quel “31.00” sulla bolletta, non posso che convenire con lei che ora si, è piuttosto ovvio.Ma… leggo che la tassa governativa è di 15 euro e qualcosa, ma nella bolletta sono 25…”Si” conferma lei, “15 sono di un mese intero, 10 sono relativi ad una frazione di mese, il primo, da quando ho sottoscritto il contratto.”Concludo che ci sono 15 euro di tassa governativa al mese, rimborsati sotto forma di buono minuti conversazione telefonica eccedenti ai 400, che se però non sfrutto, pago.”Ah, quindi il mio canone fisso, in quel caso, diventa di 30 euro, giusto?” chiedo, e all’altro capo del filo telefonico, un eloquente silenzio.È chiaro.”Vedo qui anche 11 euro di IVA, mi era stato detto che era compresa nel canone…””Sì, ma quella è l’iva riferita all’ importo delle altre voci, se la calcola vedrà che è corretta!”Non mi sarei mai sognato di dubitare, per cui proseguo.Sulla bolletta spiccava inoltre la voce “anticipo conversazioni” di 103 euro, una sorta di “caparra”, che mi verrà restituita al mio recedere del contratto, “voglio sperare non in buoni telefonici” dico all’operatrice in tono preoccupato, ma no, mi rassicura lei, mi ritorneranno sotto forma di assegno bancario, in un tempo variabile dai due mesi a… oltranza, mi pare di capire. Ma come abbiamo ben visto, non sempre capisco bene ciò che le operatrici mi dicono, colpa della loro voce, che mi ammalia… sono una persona sensibile, cosa vi devo dire? Nel sito vedo anche scritto che possiamo controllare la nostra “posizione” (minuti eccedenti, minuti residui, profilo tariffario eccetera) al numero 4916. Ho provato, ma mi si dice che il mio profilo non prevede quel servizio, ma è anche vero, che l’esatto profilo tariffario mio, sul sito non c’è, per cui è ovvio, (come per il resto) che devo attingere da qualche altra parte queste di informazioni, ma non saprei dire dove, in effetti non sono molto avvezzo a barcamenarmi nel mondo della telefonia mobile.In ogni caso, concludo che quello che mi fa “rilassare” non è il piano tariffario che fa per me, e chiedo umilmente di tornare, solo dopo i primi due mesi, alla mia vecchia scheda prepagata.L’operatrice mi dice che non c’è problema, può farlo subito, è molto comprensiva, ma io so che ora l’aspetta del lavoro inutile, del lavoro in più, oltre a quello che già sta facendo, per riportare il mio telefono alle condizioni precedenti, e questo solo perché io non ho saputo valutare bene l’offerta propostami dalla sua collega…Mi spiace molto, mi scuso con la mia compagnia telefonica, per la mia incapacità di comprendere le ovvietà di questo meraviglioso mondo telefonico. 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  • Anonimo scrive:
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      • Anonimo scrive:
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  • xuneel scrive:
    Vedo alcuni problemi...
    Allora, come requisito per farlo funzionare occorre avere prese elettriche compatibili con PoE (power over ethernet)? Oppure PoE è uno standard utilizzato, appunto, da jackpc ed è compatibile con qualsiasi presa elettrica? Scusate, vivo in una casa antica e non sono sicuro che funzioni...Se per abilitare PoE devo effettuare modifiche al mio impianto elettrico (= Costi aggiuntivi).Se ho ben capito jackpc è una presa. Dunque non posso staccarla e inserirla dove voglio in tutte le prese di casa mia. Cioè chiamo l'elettricista (=Costi aggiuntivi) e la faccio montare al posto di una presa attuale, giusto?Non ho ben capito a che servono i 500mhz di potenza di jackpc se comunque devi connetterti in remoto ad un server centrale...Vedo che ci sono diverse prese USB, dunque presumo che un utente possa salvare i documenti non solo sul server centrale, ma anche su una pennetta USB... domanda, il server centrale dev'essere Microsoft (dato che jackpc usa WinCE)? In tal caso =Costi aggiuntivi...Dovrei studiarlo bene ma a primo avviso non mi sembra così vantaggioso come si voglia far credere.I vostri commenti sono i benvenuti purché ci aiutino a capire come utilizzare e sfruttare jackpc.Idealmente sarei interessato ad usarlo a casa. Userei un server linux e mi piacerebbe collegargli 3-4 jackpc.
    • Ugo Limone scrive:
      Re: Vedo alcuni problemi...
      Mannaggia che saputello!!! :@ :@ :@- Scritto da: xuneel
      Allora, come requisito per farlo funzionare
      occorre avere prese elettriche compatibili con
      PoE (power over ethernet)? Oppure PoE è uno
      standard utilizzato, appunto, da jackpc ed è
      compatibile con qualsiasi presa elettrica?
      Scusate, vivo in una casa antica e non sono
      sicuro che
      funzioni...
      Se per abilitare PoE devo effettuare modifiche al
      mio impianto elettrico (= Costi
      aggiuntivi).

      Se ho ben capito jackpc è una presa. Dunque non
      posso staccarla e inserirla dove voglio in tutte
      le prese di casa mia. Cioè chiamo l'elettricista
      (=Costi aggiuntivi) e la faccio montare al posto
      di una presa attuale,
      giusto?

      Non ho ben capito a che servono i 500mhz di
      potenza di jackpc se comunque devi connetterti in
      remoto ad un server
      centrale...

      Vedo che ci sono diverse prese USB, dunque
      presumo che un utente possa salvare i documenti
      non solo sul server centrale, ma anche su una
      pennetta USB... domanda, il server centrale
      dev'essere Microsoft (dato che jackpc usa WinCE)?
      In tal caso =Costi
      aggiuntivi...

      Dovrei studiarlo bene ma a primo avviso non mi
      sembra così vantaggioso come si voglia far
      credere.

      I vostri commenti sono i benvenuti purché ci
      aiutino a capire come utilizzare e sfruttare
      jackpc.

      Idealmente sarei interessato ad usarlo a casa.
      Userei un server linux e mi piacerebbe
      collegargli 3-4
      jackpc.
    • Alessandrox scrive:
      Re: Vedo alcuni problemi...
      - Scritto da: xuneel
      Allora, come requisito per farlo funzionare
      occorre avere prese elettriche compatibili con
      PoE (power over ethernet)? Oppure PoE è uno
      standard utilizzato, appunto, da jackpc ed è
      compatibile con qualsiasi presa elettrica?
      Scusate, vivo in una casa antica e non sono
      sicuro che
      funzioni...
      Se per abilitare PoE devo effettuare modifiche al
      mio impianto elettrico (= Costi
      aggiuntivi).Nono... PoE e' uno standard che si adatta alle attuali reti elettriche, basta che sia costruita bene: buona messa a terra, buon cablaggio e poche interferenze (ma gli ultimi apparecchi sono abbastanza "resistenti" alle interferenze). IO uso adattatori PoE da tempo: ho il router in una stanza nel sottosuolo e accedo ad internet da qualsiasi stanza...
      Se ho ben capito jackpc è una presa. Dunque non
      posso staccarla e inserirla dove voglio in tutte
      le prese di casa mia. Cioè chiamo l'elettricista
      (=Costi aggiuntivi) e la faccio montare al posto
      di una presa attuale,
      giusto?Si ma X montare e smontare una presa non e' che ci voglia granche'... tuttavia questi oggetti mi sembrano piu' che altro destinati ad un uso professionale quindi all' interno di uffici.
      Non ho ben capito a che servono i 500mhz di
      potenza di jackpc se comunque devi connetterti in
      remoto ad un server
      centrale...Daccordo ma l' elaborazione dei dati, almeno una parte (per esempio la grafica ma non solo) li fa in locale... eh,
      Vedo che ci sono diverse prese USB, dunque
      presumo che un utente possa salvare i documenti
      non solo sul server centrale, ma anche su una
      pennetta USB... domanda, il server centrale
      dev'essere Microsoft (dato che jackpc usa WinCE)?
      In tal caso =Costi
      aggiuntivi...Io ho installato dei client windows e server centrali Linux... dipende da cosa (che servizio) devi centralizzare. In genere e' indifferente ma in certi casi particolari no.
      Dovrei studiarlo bene ma a primo avviso non mi
      sembra così vantaggioso come si voglia far
      credere.
      I vostri commenti sono i benvenuti purché ci
      aiutino a capire come utilizzare e sfruttare
      jackpc.
      Idealmente sarei interessato ad usarlo a casa.
      Userei un server linux e mi piacerebbe
      collegargli 3-4
      jackpc.In teoria sarebbe semplice pensare ad un jackpc non come presa ma da inserire in una presa....probabilmente lo faranno anche in questa versione, chissa'...
      • AdessoBasta scrive:
        Re: Vedo alcuni problemi...
        Ma non è che state confondendo?Quello di cui state parlando voi è una Ethernet over Powerline, cioè la rete attraverso i fili elettrici.Qui si sta parlando invece di POE cioè di alimentazione elettrica tramite il cavo di rete.Ve lo fa capire anche la specifica del consumo del Thin Client che è di 5W. Pertanto invece di utilizzare una alimentazione elettrica e relativo alimentatore, questo apparecchio, come altri apparecchi connessi in ethernet prende alimentazione dallo switch (pensate ad una webcam IP direttamente connessa al cavo di rete e alimentata dallo stesso - o ancora meglio pensate a come funziona l'USB)Nel caso aveste una rete su linea elettrica, siete costretti sia ad usare un Powerline Ethernet Adapter che avete già sia ad alimentare il Thin Client coi metodi tradizionali.Ciao(geek)
        • Alessandrox scrive:
          Re: Vedo alcuni problemi...
          hai ragione!Avevo confuso EOP e POEHahama gia' che ci sono che gli costa ad implementare anche una EOP?- Scritto da: AdessoBasta
          Ma non è che state confondendo?
          Quello di cui state parlando voi è una Ethernet
          over Powerline, cioè la rete attraverso i fili
          elettrici.
          Qui si sta parlando invece di POE cioè di
          alimentazione elettrica tramite il cavo di
          rete.
          Ve lo fa capire anche la specifica del consumo
          del Thin Client che è di 5W. Pertanto invece di
          utilizzare una alimentazione elettrica e relativo
          alimentatore, questo apparecchio, come altri
          apparecchi connessi in ethernet prende
          alimentazione dallo switch (pensate ad una webcam
          IP direttamente connessa al cavo di rete e
          alimentata dallo stesso - o ancora meglio pensate
          a come funziona
          l'USB)
          Nel caso aveste una rete su linea elettrica,
          siete costretti sia ad usare un Powerline
          Ethernet Adapter che avete già sia ad alimentare
          il Thin Client coi metodi
          tradizionali.

          Ciao(geek)
        • xuneel scrive:
          Re: Vedo alcuni problemi...
          - Scritto da: AdessoBasta
          Ma non è che state confondendo?
          Quello di cui state parlando voi è una Ethernet
          over Powerline, cioè la rete attraverso i fili
          elettrici.
          Qui si sta parlando invece di POE cioè di
          alimentazione elettrica tramite il cavo di
          rete.
          Ve lo fa capire anche la specifica del consumo
          del Thin Client che è di 5W. Pertanto invece di
          utilizzare una alimentazione elettrica e relativo
          alimentatore, questo apparecchio, come altri
          apparecchi connessi in ethernet prende
          alimentazione dallo switch (pensate ad una webcam
          IP direttamente connessa al cavo di rete e
          alimentata dallo stesso - o ancora meglio pensate
          a come funziona
          l'USB)
          Nel caso aveste una rete su linea elettrica,
          siete costretti sia ad usare un Powerline
          Ethernet Adapter che avete già sia ad alimentare
          il Thin Client coi metodi
          tradizionali.

          Ciao(geek)Dunque se ho ben capito per avere POE in casa mia dovrei effettuare dei lavori in modo da avere cavi di rete nei muri ai quali potrei abbinare le classiche prese LAN a muro (come degli uffici) o che potrei sostituire mediante il jackPC... Ok ora mi é chiaro come funziona jackPC. E' pensato per le aziende che hanno già le prese LAN a muro.Peccato però che manchi una versione "Ethernet over Powerline" che s'inserisca in una presa normalissima. In tal caso il thin client si potrebbe spostare a seconda delle esigenze e nelle abitazioni non sarebbe necessario chiamare l'elettricista per creare una rete come nelle aziende.-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 02 giugno 2006 17.39-----------------------------------------------------------
          • Alessandrox scrive:
            Re: Vedo alcuni problemi...
            - Scritto da: xuneel
            Dunque se ho ben capito per avere POE in casa mia
            dovrei effettuare dei lavori in modo da avere
            cavi di rete nei muri ai quali potrei abbinare le
            classiche prese LAN a muro (come degli uffici) o
            che potrei sostituire mediante il jackPC... Ok
            ora mi é chiaro come funziona jackPC. E' pensato
            per le aziende che hanno già le prese LAN a
            muro.
            Peccato però che manchi una versione "Ethernet
            over Powerline" che s'inserisca in una presa
            normalissima. In tal caso il thin client si
            potrebbe spostare a seconda delle esigenze e
            nelle abitazioni non sarebbe necessario chiamare
            l'elettricista per creare una rete come nelle
            aziende.A questo punto un thin client te lo fai anche da te con una systemboard mini-itx, la scheda eth e' integrata, l' alimentazione la prende dalla rete elettrica normale sulla quale viaggia anche la EOP con l' apposito adattatore.
  • Anonimo scrive:
    Re: Un thin-client invece della presa el
    Veramente notevoli! Potenza computazionale... costi di gestioni quasi nulli... mi piacerebbe provarne uno.Ciao a tutti.
  • rogledi scrive:
    Si, ma... quale sistema operativo
    Posso pensare Windows CE?Linux?boo...
    • Anonimo scrive:
      Re: Si, ma... quale sistema operativo
      C'è scritto: WindowsCE.... In pratica un mini sistema operativo che fa il boot da rom e avvia un thin client... Quindi si colleghera a Terminal Server, Metaframe, Citrix oppure parte unicamente con un browser e poi fa tutto a livello web.A livello di macchina non avrai quindi applicativi residenti, ma verra' tutto eseguito sul server remoto (unica eccezione il browser web, e sarei curioso di sapere come vengono gestiti activeX e plugin. Peccato non abbiano messo anche firefox...
  • Anonimo scrive:
    Esperienza....
    Dove lavoro stiamo spostando tutto il personale "non progettazione" verso un'approccio "applicazioni sul server" / "postazione idiota con ThinClient"Usiamo i Wyse (sia S30 [WindowsCE] sia S90 [XPEmbedded]) macchinette fantastiche, zero rumore, zero calore, indistruttibili, perfette!Il calo delle chiamate per assistenza, sputtanamenti, casini e' tale che stiamo rimuginando di migrare TUTTI gli utenti al piu presto.Si, lo so, si torna agli anni 70/80 Mainframe e Terminali stupidi...Ma forse se l'erano pensata MEGLIO di quello che tanto marketing ci ha propinato per un trentennio.La goduria di gestire le applicazioni in modo centralizzato, preciso, verificabile, backuppabile e' incredibile!Viva i thinclient!(ora piglio uno di questi per casa, tanto il serverino e' sempre acceso....)
    • avvelenato scrive:
      Re: Esperienza....
      - Scritto da:
      Dove lavoro stiamo spostando tutto il personale
      "non progettazione" verso un'approccio
      "applicazioni sul server" / "postazione idiota
      con
      ThinClient"

      Usiamo i Wyse (sia S30 [WindowsCE] sia S90
      [XPEmbedded]) macchinette fantastiche, zero
      rumore, zero calore, indistruttibili,
      perfette!

      Il calo delle chiamate per assistenza,
      sputtanamenti, casini e' tale che stiamo
      rimuginando di migrare TUTTI gli utenti al piu
      presto.

      Si, lo so, si torna agli anni 70/80 Mainframe e
      Terminali
      stupidi...
      Ma forse se l'erano pensata MEGLIO di quello che
      tanto marketing ci ha propinato per un
      trentennio.
      La goduria di gestire le applicazioni in modo
      centralizzato, preciso, verificabile,
      backuppabile e'
      incredibile!

      Viva i thinclient!

      (ora piglio uno di questi per casa, tanto il
      serverino e' sempre
      acceso....)diciamo anche che i thin client di adesso sono un po' diversi da quelli di allora, hanno una potenza computazionale che solo qualche anno fa avrebbero fatto gridare al miracolo.E siccome molte applicazioni in realtà non richiedono potenze superiori in gioco.... bello davvero cmq, spero che cali di prezzo che me lo ciapo.
      • Anonimo scrive:
        Re: Esperienza....
        - Scritto da: avvelenato
        diciamo anche che i thin client di adesso sono un
        po' diversi da quelli di allora, hanno una
        potenza computazionale che ecco, questo già ti dice che cosa hanno in più :)hanno potenza computazionale!!!e devi avere licenze per SISTEMI OPERATIVI dove prima andavi a blocchi di terminali collegati :)quando cambi sistema sul server hai cambiato sistema a tutti ... ecc ecc :)
        solo qualche anno fa
        avrebbero fatto gridare al
        miracolo.beh si :)qualche tempo fa quella potenza era quella ... di un server :)
        E siccome molte applicazioni in realtà non
        richiedono potenze superiori in gioco.... direi che anzi, se la prendono anche troppo comoda, le applicazioni
        bello
        davvero cmq, spero che cali di prezzo che me lo
        ciapo.ciapetelo tut ;)
        • Anonimo scrive:
          Re: Esperienza....
          - Scritto da:

          - Scritto da: avvelenato



          diciamo anche che i thin client di adesso sono
          un

          po' diversi da quelli di allora, hanno una

          potenza computazionale che



          ecco, questo già ti dice che cosa hanno in più :)

          hanno potenza computazionale!!!

          e devi avere licenze per SISTEMI OPERATIVI dove
          prima andavi a blocchi di terminali collegati
          :)

          quando cambi sistema sul server hai cambiato
          sistema a tutti ... ecc ecc
          :)
          Ci posso mettere Linux...E poi, se le applicazioni sono "web based", mi basta un browser, o no?!?
          • Anonimo scrive:
            Re: Esperienza....
            - Scritto da:

            - Scritto da:



            - Scritto da: avvelenato






            diciamo anche che i thin client di adesso sono

            un


            po' diversi da quelli di allora, hanno una


            potenza computazionale che







            ecco, questo già ti dice che cosa hanno in più
            :)



            hanno potenza computazionale!!!



            e devi avere licenze per SISTEMI OPERATIVI dove

            prima andavi a blocchi di terminali collegati

            :)



            quando cambi sistema sul server hai cambiato

            sistema a tutti ... ecc ecc

            :)


            Ci posso mettere Linux...
            E poi, se le applicazioni sono "web based", mi
            basta un browser, o
            no?!?
            Il mulo, se non vado errato, può essere controllato con il suo web server integrato (porta 4711 se non è stata cambiata) ;) 8) :D
    • Anonimo scrive:
      Re: Esperienza....
      - Scritto da:
      Si, lo so, si torna agli anni 70/80 Mainframe e
      Terminali
      stupidi...
      Ma forse se l'erano pensata MEGLIO di quello che
      tanto marketing ci ha propinato per un
      trentennio.
      La goduria di gestire le applicazioni in modo
      centralizzato, preciso, verificabile,
      backuppabile e'
      incredibile!

      Viva i thinclient!Sono sempre più d'accordo.Lavoro con un server integrato iSeries ... tutto quello che devo gestire sul lato OS400 è da *vero* sistemista, tutto quello che va su PC è come il lavoro che fai in laboratorio a casa sulle assistenze casalinghe.per non parlare degli utenti che tentano di smanettare invece che lavorare... (li capisco perfettamente) ... cosa che su as400 non si fa a meno di non essere *davvero motivati ad imparare l'informatica* ... si lavora e via :)
    • Anonimo scrive:
      Re: Esperienza....

      Si, lo so, si torna agli anni 70/80 Mainframe e
      Terminali
      stupidi...
      Ma forse se l'erano pensata MEGLIO di quello che
      tanto marketing ci ha propinato per un
      trentennio.ehehehhe volendo pensare male potremmo anche dire che aveva ragione chi diceva che i PC in ambito aziendale erano perfettamente inutili, anzi controproducenti, poi qualcuno ha deciso di accerchiare lentamente il mainframe per soffocarlo iniziando dai PC di casa, insinuandosi pian piano sui tavoli delle segretarie, introducendo un serviro qui e un serverino la...adesso ci si accorge che dopo tutto forse in ambito aziendale si stava meglio quando si stava peggio ;)
      • Elwood_ scrive:
        Re: Esperienza....
        - Scritto da:

        Si, lo so, si torna agli anni 70/80 Mainframe e

        Terminali

        stupidi...

        Ma forse se l'erano pensata MEGLIO di quello che

        tanto marketing ci ha propinato per un

        trentennio.

        ehehehhe volendo pensare male potremmo anche dire
        che aveva ragione chi diceva che i PC in ambito
        aziendale erano perfettamente inutili, anzi
        controproducenti, poi qualcuno ha deciso di
        accerchiare lentamente il mainframe per
        soffocarlo iniziando dai PC di casa, insinuandosi
        pian piano sui tavoli delle segretarie,
        introducendo un serviro qui e un serverino
        la...

        adesso ci si accorge che dopo tutto forse in
        ambito aziendale si stava meglio quando si stava
        peggio ;)concordo pienamentema il problema e che ora vaglielo a spiegare ai commerciali :DP.S per l'helpedesking ho visto in giro molte soluzioni simili la sun ad esempio usa le sunray
    • Anonimo scrive:
      Re: Esperienza....

      Viva i thinclient!sono d'accordo, specie se con linuxpurtroppo se si usa windows per ogni terminale occorre pagare tutto il sw, so compreso, anchese non è residente
  • Anonimo scrive:
    Un thin-client invece del terminale
    Da secoli basta un terminale grafico .... TOTALMENTE INUTILE !Ciao
    • Anonimo scrive:
      Re: Un thin-client invece del terminale
      - Scritto da:
      Da secoli basta un terminale grafico ....
      TOTALMENTE INUTILE
      !eh???
  • avvelenato scrive:
    edit: post doppiato
    chiedo venia :$-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 01 giugno 2006 01.44-----------------------------------------------------------
  • avvelenato scrive:
    bellissimo
    ne voglio 3
    • Anonimo scrive:
      Re: bellissimo
      - Scritto da: avvelenato
      ne voglio 3abbiamo capito, asdomissis (apple)
    • Anonimo scrive:
      Re: bellissimo
      - Scritto da: avvelenato
      ne voglio 3...sono 2 etti e mezzo, che faccio, lascio? :)
      • Anonimo scrive:
        Re: bellissimo
        - Scritto da:

        - Scritto da: avvelenato

        ne voglio 3
        ...sono 2 etti e mezzo, che faccio, lascio? :)se ne vuole tre, devi metterne ancora mezzo etto. taglia, taglia...
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