OilProject, la scuola del futuro?

Talkshow interattivi sulle tematiche dell'attualità. Un aggregatore in stile YouTube di lezioni e letture di tesine. La condivisione online di tutte le lezioni tenute nelle scuole e nelle università. Tutti i nuovi sogni di OilProject, che lancia la nuova stagione

Roma – “La scuola che sogniamo noi non costa nulla. Puoi entrarci sia da Torino, sia da Enna. Anche alle tre del mattino. È indipendente e basata sulla valutazione tra pari”. Inizia così quello che è stato definito il più grande progetto di free learning italiano, fondato nel 2004 da un gruppo di ambiziosi ragazzi del Belpaese.

Oilproject è “la più grande scuola online in Italia” – 9mila gli studenti raccolti fino ad oggi – e i suoi nuovi talkshow interattivi mirano a rivoluzionare il rapporto tra esperti e comuni utenti della Rete. “Una scuola libera e gratuita di attualità, economia, Internet e politica”, dove i vari argomenti vengono stabiliti attraverso un sondaggio aperto a tutti.

“I numeri parlano chiaro: la nostra generazione legge sempre meno i giornali – ha spiegato il founder di OilProject Marco De Rossi – Perché? È raro che spieghino i meccanismi giuridici ed economici correlati agli eventi. Spesso manca l’approfondimento. Lo stesso vale per i talkshow televisivi nei quali continua ad essere impossibile aggregare le domande del pubblico e rivolgerle in diretta. La scuola d’attualità nasce proprio da qui”.

Ed è proprio questa scuola la prima incarnazione del progetto OilProject, che ha recentemente lanciato la sua ambiziosa sfida in collaborazione con le principali associazioni studentesche nazionali e con il supporto del portale Studenti.it e Telecom Italia-Working Capital. Gli utenti della Rete costituiranno dunque il grande mediatore di una serie di interventi volti ad approfondire le più svariate tematiche dell’attualità .

Ma OilProject è anche altro, in primis un grande aggregatore di lezioni, letture di tesine, ricerche . Il tutto in quello che è già stato descritto come una sorta di YouTube della formazione. Chiunque potrà registrare il proprio filmato, la cui qualità sarà ovviamente valutata dal pubblico online tramite votazione.

Tra i tanti obiettivi del progetto, la condivisione sul web di tutte le lezioni tenute nelle scuole e nelle università pubbliche , a beneficio – ma non solo – di chi vive in zone con una scarsa offerta didattica. Un sogno che dovrà probabilmente scontrarsi con certe rigidità burocratiche, come spiegato a Punto Informatico dallo stesso De Rossi.

OilProject dovrà in sostanza lavorare per siglare accordi con le principali università pubbliche in Italia, affrontando un sistema già consolidato come le pubblicazioni scientifiche . Meglio una rivista da poche centinaia di copie – poi venduta a pagamento – o un “video d’eccellenza disponibile a tutti in stile TED?”. Dalla risposta dipenderà parte della futura rivoluzione della scuola tricolore.

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  • max scrive:
    tanto vale...
    comprarsi un netbook o un tablettino cinese...non è affatto pratico questo coso, devi comunque sempre "collegarlo a qualcosa", e integrandolo con periferiche decenti supera comunque di slancio i 100 dollari...
  • Uno a caso scrive:
    Canone TV
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  • Prot scrive:
    Cagata spaziale
    L'aggeggio sarebbe interessante, ma dire che:"Raspberry Pi raccoglie la sfida educativa di progetti come la Children's Machine di OLCP e prova a spingerla ancora oltre"???OK, 25 dollari. + una tastiera, mouse USB, e hub, che per quanto merdosi siano, saranno minimo altri 10-15 dollari. + il cavo HDMI+ un monitor o TV LCD con ingresso HDMI che tutti hanno nel terzo mondo, vero?? Pene, neanche in Italia ce l'hanno tutti. Non so se si trova a meno di 100 dollari.Totale: costa più dell'OLCP e non è portatile, non è a prova di polvere, ecc.
    • ruppolo scrive:
      Re: Cagata spaziale
      Poi vai a comprare un cavo HDMI da 5 metri e ti costa 70 euro.
      • hermanhesse scrive:
        Re: Cagata spaziale
        Solo con la Mela sopra costa così :D :D :D
        • DarkSchneider scrive:
          Re: Cagata spaziale
          - Scritto da: hermanhesse
          Solo con la Mela sopra costa così :D :D :DNo, basta che abbia una schermatura decente, e su 5 metri è decisamente necessaria.Certo, per un monitor e quel micor PC basta un cavo qualsiasi da 1m.
          • hermanhesse scrive:
            Re: Cagata spaziale
            Tipo:http://cgi.ebay.it/CAVO-HDMI-5-METRI-1-3b-HQ-1080p-FULL-HD-SCHERMATO-xbox-/380210682036Sei andato per locali con Ruppolo ieri sera :D ?
          • DarkSchneider scrive:
            Re: Cagata spaziale
            - Scritto da: hermanhesse
            Tipo:

            http://cgi.ebay.it/CAVO-HDMI-5-METRI-1-3b-HQ-1080p

            Sei andato per locali con Ruppolo ieri sera :D ?Ci sono di tutti i prezzi, ovviamente migliore è la qualità e la schermatura, più alto è il prezzo. Ripeto, per questo mini pc basta anche un cavo da 5 o meno.P.S. da lavoro non posso vedere il link ad ebay. Quanto era il prezzo di quello proposto?
      • the_m scrive:
        Re: Cagata spaziale
        - Scritto da: ruppolo
        Poi vai a comprare un cavo HDMI da 5 metri e ti
        costa 70 euro.uh :|ne ho comprato uno dai fornitori la settimana scorsa da 2 metri (per il cell) e devo averlo pagato sui 3 euro (ghost)
        • 6524 scrive:
          Re: Cagata spaziale
          - Scritto da: the_m
          - Scritto da: ruppolo

          Poi vai a comprare un cavo HDMI da 5 metri e ti

          costa 70 euro.

          uh :|
          ne ho comprato uno dai fornitori la settimana
          scorsa da 2 metri (per il cell) e devo averlo
          pagato sui 3 euro
          (ghost)Si ma non c'era la mela!Ruppolo va a prezzi applecorinati...e poi vuoi mettere ci sono ahemmm... i costi di progettazione.... il marketting... il ruppoling e l'astroturfing....... insomma tutte risorse che costano no? :D
          • MacUserFrom 89 scrive:
            Re: Cagata spaziale
            - Scritto da: 6524
            ....... insomma tutte risorse che
            costano no?Non per rispondere a te in particolare, o a questo intervento, ma c'è un adagio che credo ancora valido: Non tutto quel che costa "vale",ma tutto quel che vale "costa". -----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 11 maggio 2011 15.37-----------------------------------------------------------
          • 6838 scrive:
            Re: Cagata spaziale
            - Scritto da: MacUserFrom 89
            - Scritto da: 6524

            ....... insomma tutte risorse che

            costano

            no?

            Non per rispondere in particolare a te p a questo
            intervento, ma c'è un adagio che credo ancora
            valido:

            Non tutto quel che costa "vale",
            ma tutto quel che vale "costa". Certo il problema è QUANTO costa in rapporto a quanto VALE.è piuttosto complicato dimostrare che un cavo HDMI vele 70 euro!Ma se credi sono tutto orecchi! :D
      • 6838 scrive:
        Re: Cagata spaziale
        - Scritto da: ruppolo
        Poi vai a comprare un cavo HDMI da 5 metri e ti
        costa 70
        euro.sisisi... come no.... hai capito tutto....(rotfl)(rotfl)Poveraccio!
      • ciccio quanta ciccia scrive:
        Re: Cagata spaziale
        Al di là dei vari commenti sui prezzi.... ma perché mai ti servirebbe un cavo da 5 m???? Non sono mica pochi 5 metri eh.... o hai uno schermo mooolto grande (e se è molto grande e ci metti una risoluzione bassa fa XXXXXX) e quindi ci stai lontano o devi avere una vista coi fiocchi e i contro fiocchi. Ti prendi uno da 1 o 2 m, prendi una chiavetta USB bluetooth e relativi tastiera e mouse se hai problemi nel stare troppo vicino al monitor e/o non vuoi cavi USB in giro...
      • Enjoy with Us scrive:
        Re: Cagata spaziale
        - Scritto da: ruppolo
        Poi vai a comprare un cavo HDMI da 5 metri e ti
        costa 70
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    • Enjoy with Us scrive:
      Re: Cagata spaziale
      - Scritto da: Prot
      L'aggeggio sarebbe interessante, ma dire che:

      "Raspberry Pi raccoglie la sfida educativa di
      progetti come la Children's Machine di OLCP e
      prova a spingerla ancora
      oltre"

      ???

      OK, 25 dollari.
      + una tastiera, mouse USB, e hub, che per quanto
      merdosi siano, saranno minimo altri 10-15
      dollari.
      Che magari già hai!
      + il cavo HDMI3 euro?
      + un monitor o TV LCD con ingresso HDMI che tutti
      hanno nel terzo mondo, vero?? Pene, neanche in
      Italia ce l'hanno tutti. Non so se si trova a
      meno di 100
      dollari.Tutti no, ma almeno in occidente tanti si, sai collegarti allo schermo di un televisore che già hai costa zero!

      Totale: costa più dell'OLCP e non è portatile,
      non è a prova di polvere,
      ecc.Totale è invece un'ottima idea, perfettibile certo, magari integrando direttamente qualche altra USB e magari un lCD da 3-4 pollici, utile magari a gestire in mobilità alcune funzioni base, che so ad esempio la copia di file da altri dispositivi (HD, Fotocamere ecc) o magari per farne un media center, il costo non aumenterebbe certo di molto!
  • marzab0tt0 scrive:
    Si ma senza espansioni...
    Sì ma senza espansioni rimane un giocattolo...L'idea del basso costo è buona (e quando non lo è?? :D) ma se ad esempio ci volessi pilotare un mini robot o altra diavoleria sperimentale, con l'hdmi ci farei "niente" e niente; l'USB poi sarà 1.0 con corrente appena sufficiente per usare una tastiera senza led...Sarà un bel portachiavi hi-tech che non lo compreranno nemmeno nel terzo mondo!
    • Enzo scrive:
      Re: Si ma senza espansioni...
      la usb è la 2.0
      • panda rossa scrive:
        Re: Si ma senza espansioni...
        - Scritto da: Enzo
        la usb è la 2.0E anche se fosse la usb 1.0, un device meccanico lo si pilota benissimo.Io ho due usb 1.1 sulla mia mobo, e in una ci ho messo un mouse e nell'altra la stampante.
        • Enzo scrive:
          Re: Si ma senza espansioni...
          :D lo so, ma ovunque si parla di questo mini-pc si dice che è la 2.0 e qualcuno che nn si prende manco la briga di leggere xD se ne esce che fooorse è la 1.0 bah (rotfl)
  • Enjoy with Us scrive:
    Molto interessante!
    E' un esempio lampante di quello che vado sostenendo da sempre, è possibile realizzare un PC mobile o uno smartphone a prezzi molto contenuti!Bastano appunto 25 dollari per MB e CPU, altri 50 per batteria e display e puoi avere un tablet od un netbook o a cife inferiori uno smartphone!altro che 700 euro per uno smartphone come certi allocchi corrono a spendere... sveglia vi stanno fregando!
    • marzab0tt0 scrive:
      Re: Molto interessante!
      Perchè ti stanno vendendo l'ennesimo MP4 player... che sono computer come lo è il televideo.
    • ruppolo scrive:
      Re: Molto interessante!
      Intanto che ci fregano noi usiamo l'iPhone da quasi 4 anni. Tu resta pure a guardare...
      • mmmm scrive:
        Re: Molto interessante!
        quale iphone? il tuo ha ben 4 anni? Non sei sul aifonfor?
        • 6891 scrive:
          Re: Molto interessante!
          - Scritto da: mmmm
          quale iphone? il tuo ha ben 4 anni? Non sei sul
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      • Enjoy with Us scrive:
        Re: Molto interessante!
        - Scritto da: ruppolo
        Intanto che ci fregano noi usiamo l'iPhone da
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  • PinguinoCattivo scrive:
    Per un roba così Linux è l'ideale
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    • 6564 scrive:
      Re: Per un roba così Linux è l'ideale
      - Scritto da: PinguinoCattivo
      Una microdistribuzione pacchettizzata ad-hoc per
      girare da SD ed ottimizzata con kernel monolitico
      (e compilato statico in modo aderente ai pochi
      chipset presenti) potrebbe trasformare
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      tascabile per
      sistemisti.

      ;)Ma anche in un ottimo strumento di apprendimento per chi ha bisogno di imparare.Anzi secondo me è questo il suo valore maggiore.
  • Enzo scrive:
    bella iniziativa..
    ..quella di creare un pc (perchè di questo si tratta) che può svolgere azioni di base (e da quel che ho letto anche qualcosa in più) con un costo relativamente basso (se confrontato con tutte le altre soluzioni presenti sul mercato). Condivido l'iniziativa anche e sopratutto perchè si è parlato di voler diffondere la cultura informatica nei paesi meno fortunati (che sicuramente 25$ sarà già un buon prezzo per loro, a fronte delle centinaia di euro che costa qualsiasi altro dispositivo al momento) e penso sia una buona alternativa questa.Ovvio che noi (paesi ricchi e sboroni) probabilmente vedremo con la solita spocchia e indifferenza questo nuovo aggeggino, semplicemente perchè anche se tecnologicamente nn abbia nulla di extraterrestre, ma è la dimostrazione di come impiegare in maniera ponderata le risorse a disposizione senza perquesto far mancare nulla; e con questo oggetto infatti si possono fare almeno l'80% (più o meno?) delle cose che si fanno con qualsiasi altro dispositivo mobile attuale, con un prezzo commisurato alle capacità.Poi il fatto che monti linux (e spero che venga sviluppata una distro, anche se derivata, che riesca a trarne il massimo potenziale) è una notizia che mi fa molto piacere ^_^
    • ciccio quanta ciccia scrive:
      Re: bella iniziativa..
      Se fatto e promosso bene può fare il suo anche nel primo e secondo mondo. Mi rende perplesso però la connettività... in rete come ci va? Modem USB via hub? Chiavetta 3G? La regge tutta sta corrente compresa tastiera e mouse? Perché nel 2011 se non si connette in rete è (quasi) come non averlo un computer...
      • Enzo scrive:
        Re: bella iniziativa..
        beh su questo in effetti mi auguro che pensino ad una scheda wifi integrata se è possibile, sennò l'unico modo è tramite un modem usb si.... in rete infatti ho trovato delle immagini che lo raffigurano proprio collegato tramite un modem
        • mela marcia doc scrive:
          Re: bella iniziativa..
          Esistono anche i plug computer: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guruplugdetails.aspx#features
          • ciccio quanta ciccia scrive:
            Re: bella iniziativa..
            Sì lo so ma si stava parlando di quello dell'articolo
    • ruppolo scrive:
      Re: bella iniziativa..
      Cultura informatica? Questa? Questa è quella che ha miseramente fallito già trent'anni fa.
      • Enzo scrive:
        Re: bella iniziativa..
        :D si tratta di far conoscere il funzionamento di un pc base, con componentistica ridotta all'osso a gente che nn ha mai visto un pc in vita sua!!... io lo so che oggi avere un pc per noi è cosa di poco conto, ma già se andiamo a 10-15 anni fa avere un pc per noi (o almeno per me) significava avere qualcosa di immenso valore, e dal punto di vista della componentistica era pure più arretrato di questo mini-pc; poi con questo mini pc cmq nn si può lavorare intensivamente, ma si possono esplicare azioni di base che di solito oggi facciamo con i vari smartphone, iphone e company pagati centinaia di euro!!La coltura informatica basata sull'utilizzato ponderato delle risorse, sulla vera utilità di un dispositivo che nn fa solo trendy, ecc sarà morta per te! ma nn certo per chi ha sete di conoscenza ;)
      • 6627 scrive:
        Re: bella iniziativa..
        - Scritto da: ruppolo
        Cultura informatica? Questa? Questa è quella che
        ha miseramente fallito già trent'anni
        fa.No questa è quella che tu non hai mai avuto e (purtroppo per te) non avrai mai.Solo una completa ignoranza può fare paragoni tra questo e un "prodotto di mercato".Non ti viene neppure in mente che serva per scopi differenti dal tuo miserevole iCoso?
        • ciccio quanta ciccia scrive:
          Re: bella iniziativa..
          Non infieri sui ruppoli... porelli... dai... @^
        • lroby scrive:
          Re: bella iniziativa..
          - Scritto da: 6627
          Non ti viene neppure in mente che serva per scopi
          differenti dal tuo miserevole
          iCoso?Perchè un iCoso serve a qualcosa? :D
  • MeX scrive:
    Enjoy with us...
    ha dichiarato che il progetto é interessante ma troppo caro.Non appena avrá proXXXXXre arm e non supererá i 12,50$ lo comprerá
    • Be&O scrive:
      Re: Enjoy with us...
      A quel prezzo potrà uscire il G5 !per i Boccaloni che lo acquistano!O visto dei Cloni Cinesi a 125 ...ASD ! :D
  • NS256 scrive:
    Perchè iphone
    Allora costa 700 euro ??? non ditemi che altri 128Mb di ram,un display, e una batteria costano 675 euro
    • bertuccia scrive:
      Re: Perchè iphone
      - Scritto da: NS256

      Allora costa 700 euro ??? non ditemi che altri
      128Mb di ram,un display, e una batteria costano
      675 euroma non sai leggere?l'ho già postato mille volte.il solo ferro di iphone costa $200.che è la spesa minore.aggiungi l'assemblaggioaggiungi i costi di design (progettazione)aggiungi OS+SDKaggiungi marketing e rete venditatutti questi costi non ci sono per sto PC da $25. a cominciare dal fatto che non è nemmeno in vendita
      • hermanhesse scrive:
        Re: Perchè iphone
        - Scritto da: bertuccia
        - Scritto da: NS256



        Allora costa 700 euro ??? non ditemi che altri

        128Mb di ram,un display, e una batteria costano

        675 euro

        ma non sai leggere?
        l'ho già postato mille volte.Perchè sei Applecorinato :D

        il solo ferro di iphone costa $200.

        che è la spesa minore.Dai, sentiamo perchè!

        aggiungi l'assemblaggioFatto in Cina
        aggiungi i costi di design (progettazione)Fatti una volta
        aggiungi OS+SDKFatti una volta, mantenuti quando capita (vedi baco della sveglia, corretto dopo un bel po')
        aggiungi marketing e rete venditaQuesto sì!!!!! Serve per prendere più polli possibili!

        tutti questi costi non ci sono per sto PC da $25.
        a cominciare dal fatto che non è nemmeno in
        venditaWow!Incredibile, sei riuscito a battere Ruppolo.
        • panda rossa scrive:
          Re: Perchè iphone
          - Scritto da: hermanhesse
          Wow!
          Incredibile, sei riuscito a battere Ruppolo.Hai notato anche tu che da quando bertuccia scrive, ruppolo e' stranamente silenzioso?
          • hermanhesse scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            Sì quindi direi:1) o si danno il cambio2) o sono la stessa persona... ed incomincio a capire come mai secondo bertuccia (ma anche secondo altri) io sono zuzzurro (che tra l'altro no n scrive più da un bel pezzo) :DMah, magari c'è un piano di indottrinamento delle masse sovvenzionato da Apple... un marketing virale che parte dai forum per arrivare di porta in porta. :D
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: hermanhesse

            Sì quindi direi:

            1) o si danno il cambio
            2) o sono la stessa persona... ed incomincio a
            capire come mai si vabbè ci sono degli articoli con centinaia di post di ruppolo e alcuni miei.. XXXXX è, lavoro a tempo pieno per spammare PI? va bene che è divertente ma non esageriamo :)senza contare i post dove ci sono i botta e risposta tra me e ruppolo.. magari anche con vedute differenti.. davvero mi/ci ritenete malati fino al punto da metter su un tale teatrino?? :o
            secondo bertuccia (ma anche
            secondo altri) io sono zuzzurro (che tra l'altro
            no n scrive più da un bel pezzo)
            :Dno, in realtà secondo me sei Fabrizio, che a sua volta è Zuzzurro :)e non ci vuole molto a scoprire come ciò sia la realtà andando a vedere i vecchi commenti ;)ciao zuzzù!
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            senza contare i post dove ci sono i botta e
            risposta tra me e ruppolo.. magari anche con
            vedute differenti.. davvero mi/ci ritenete malati
            fino al punto da metter su un tale teatrino??
            :oNo, e' stato solo un fugace sospetto notando come tu stia rispondendo a raffica mentre ruppolo non c'e'.E tu non eri mai stato cosi' attivo.
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            E tu non eri mai stato cosi' attivo.ma cosa dici, stupidina :$
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            E tu non eri mai stato cosi' attivo.schiocchina ma che dici? :$ :$
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            No, e' stato solo un fugace sospetto notando come
            tu stia rispondendo a raffica mentre ruppolo non
            c'e'.quindi? :)"è stato" o "è" un sospetto?
            E tu non eri mai stato cosi' attivo. :$ :$ dai che mi imbarazzi
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone

            vedute differenti.. davvero mi/ci ritenete malati
            fino al punto da metter su un tale teatrino?? Hai comprato un mac, non si può mai dire...
          • NS256 scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: hermanhesse
            Sì quindi direi:

            1) o si danno il cambio
            2) o sono la stessa persona... ed incomincio a
            capire come mai secondo bertuccia (ma anche
            secondo altri) io sono zuzzurro (che tra l'altro
            no n scrive più da un bel pezzo)
            :D

            Mah, magari c'è un piano di indottrinamento delle
            masse sovvenzionato da Apple... un marketing
            virale che parte dai forum per arrivare di porta
            in porta.
            :DIl vero problema è che apple è riuscita ad ottenere questo piano di indottrinamento a gratis dai fan... Fai una cosa per nerd e ne parlano solo i nerd tra loro, fai una cosa per gli ex-nerd-che-se-la-tirano-perchè-credono-di-essere-usciti-dallo-stato-di-nerd e ne parlerà il mondo...Insomma... Apple = Scientology
          • MacUserFrom 89 scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: NS256

            Insomma... Apple = ScientologySecondo me un paragone peggiore non si poteva trovare ...... e di Scientology ho assistito allo sbarco in Italia nel '73/'74!
          • hermanhesse scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            Guarda a caso la mia risposta è stata censurata.Ora adesso mi piacerebbe che mi si spiegasse perchè, dove sono andato contro alla policy ecc. ecc.Prego, gentili redattori di PI.
        • ruppolo scrive:
          Re: Perchè iphone
          Il progetto ad Apple glielo hai inviato tu gratuitamente?
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: ruppolo
            Il progetto ad Apple glielo hai inviato tu
            gratuitamente?No, e' stata la nipote di mubarak.E tu credici che il costo del progetto giustifica quel prezzo, esattamente come avrai creduto alla nipote di mubarak.Beviti tutto il succo di mela, che e' buono e fa bene al neurone.
    • malvyn scrive:
      Re: Perchè iphone
      I singoli pezzi che compongono l'Iphone costano 188 dollari.Aggiungi un paio di dollari per assemblarlo e siamo a 190.Il resto del prezzo se ne va in costi di ricerca e sviluppo e in guadagno di Mr Jobs.
      • Francesco scrive:
        Re: Perchè iphone
        Certo... per abbinare le sfumature di colori delle icone serve tanto tempo e tanti fighetti.. :-D
    • DarkSchneider scrive:
      Re: Perchè iphone
      - Scritto da: NS256
      Allora costa 700 euro ??? non ditemi che altri
      128Mb di ram,un display, e una batteria costano
      675
      euroNon farmi difendere l'iPhone (che ritengo abbia un prezzo altissimo), il discorso che faccio è vero in generale.Secondo te i telefoni si assemblano da soli?Macchinari, manutenzione di questi, operai (anche se cinesi sfruttati e sottopagati), costi degli impianti, fornitura elettrica, packaging, trasporti, rete di vendita e assistenza.E questo senza aver ancora nominato progettisti, marketing e costi di ricerca & sviluppo, software.Tutto questo ha un costo, ed è molto più alto dei singoli componenti. Se consideri solo quelli non hai un telefono, ma una manciata di componenti elettronici sparsi sul tavolo.Poi dobbiamo considerare anche le leggi di mercato, la classica curva Domanda/Offerta.Nel caso specifico dell'iPhone credo proprio che il prezzo derivi da questo. Si sono accorti che più alzano il prezzo più ne vendono, e hanno agito di conseguenza.
      • acno scrive:
        Re: Perchè iphone
        Esatto, non capisco perche' si debbano fare sempre i conti con le solematerie prime. E poi nessuno ti obbliga a comprarlo.Un mio amico dice sempre (in generale): ma tu riesci a farne uno uguale a meno ?
        • panda rossa scrive:
          Re: Perchè iphone
          - Scritto da: acno
          Esatto, non capisco perche' si debbano fare
          sempre i conti con le
          sole
          materie prime. E poi nessuno ti obbliga a
          comprarlo.

          Un mio amico dice sempre (in generale): ma tu
          riesci a farne uno uguale a meno
          ?Uno uguale, a meno, no.Un milione uguali, a meno, si! E a parecchio di meno.E' per quello che esistono quei maledetti catenacci dei brevetti e dei copyright.Altrimenti che bisogno ci sarebbe di brevettare se tanto non e' possibile farne di uguali, a meno?
          • pippO scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: panda rossa
            - Scritto da: acno

            Esatto, non capisco perche' si debbano fare

            sempre i conti con le

            sole

            materie prime. E poi nessuno ti obbliga a

            comprarlo.



            Un mio amico dice sempre (in generale): ma tu

            riesci a farne uno uguale a meno

            ?

            Uno uguale, a meno, no.
            Un milione uguali, a meno, si! E a parecchio di
            meno.

            E' per quello che esistono quei maledetti
            catenacci dei brevetti e dei
            copyright.
            Altrimenti che bisogno ci sarebbe di brevettare
            se tanto non e' possibile farne di uguali, a
            meno?Allora falli tu no?Non dirmi che il copyright per te è un problema... :D
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: pippO

            E' per quello che esistono quei maledetti

            catenacci dei brevetti e dei

            copyright.

            Altrimenti che bisogno ci sarebbe di brevettare

            se tanto non e' possibile farne di uguali, a

            meno?
            Allora falli tu no?No. Esiste gia' Android.
            Non dirmi che il copyright per te è un
            problema...
            :DFinche' si tratta di copiare files me ne strafrego del copyright.Ma qui ci sono beni materiali, e quindi occorre anticipare delle spese.Io mi muovo sempre a costo zero, non anticipo nulla, non faccio debiti, non voglio finanziamenti.
          • pippO scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: panda rossa
            Finche' si tratta di copiare files me ne
            strafrego del
            copyright.
            Ma qui ci sono beni materiali, e quindi occorre
            anticipare delle
            spese.

            Io mi muovo sempre a costo zero, non anticipo
            nulla, non faccio debiti, non voglio
            finanziamenti.Tranquillo, ti porterò le arance...
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Perchè iphone
            - Scritto da: pippO
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            Finche' si tratta di copiare files me ne

            strafrego del

            copyright.

            Ma qui ci sono beni materiali, e quindi occorre

            anticipare delle

            spese.



            Io mi muovo sempre a costo zero, non anticipo

            nulla, non faccio debiti, non voglio

            finanziamenti.
            Tranquillo, ti porterò le arance...Non scomodarti.Ci pensa gia' il mio gruppo di acquisto solidale a portarmi le arance dalla sicilia.Saltando tutta la filiera!
    • Be&O scrive:
      Re: Perchè iphone
      No quello è il prezzo della mela sul retro !è un sottile strato di Iridio polimerizzato al Lantanio !costa un occhio, tanto che Apple pensava di usare una Perainizialmente così c'era meno superficie !Anno optato per Morsicarla o sarebbe costata 700 solo quella!
    • Enjoy with Us scrive:
      Re: Perchè iphone
      - Scritto da: NS256
      Allora costa 700 euro ??? non ditemi che altri
      128Mb di ram,un display, e una batteria costano
      675
      euroFosse solo quello, come mai un'iphone costa più di un'ipad2 che ha un proXXXXXre molto più evoluto? Come mai costa il triplo di un ipod le cui differenze nella componentistica si riducono ad un chip di telecomunicazioni del valore si e no di 5 dollari e di un cmos fotocamera più prestante?Apple forse vende in perdita ipod o ipad? Non credo proprio!
    • Guybrush Fuorisede scrive:
      Re: Perchè iphone
      - Scritto da: NS256
      Allora costa 700 euro ??? non ditemi che altri
      128Mb di ram,un display, e una batteria costano
      675
      euroMi piacerebbe risponderti "perche esistono tanti utenti pronti a sborsare cifre ridicolmente alte per un pezzo di plastica Hi Tech", ma è solo parte della spiegazione.Il costo di produzione è più elevato perché hai diverse altre tecnologie dentro, sulle quali devi pagare i diritti.Schermo, WiFI, Bluetooth tanto per dirne qualcuna. Hai piu' componenti HW: schermo, sensori, ram, SSD ecc..e questo alza ancora il costo di produzione.Piu' alzi i costi di produzione e più il prezzo finale viene fuori elevato.Non pensare di pagare un iPhone meno di 100$, alla fabbrica e senza dare un centesimo a chi lo produce.GTFS
  • bye scrive:
    il FUTURO
    il futuro sara una specie di cellulare con la potenza di un PC. Lo si porta via per chiamare e a casa o in ufficio si connetterà con monitor e tastiera.Ciao
    • banca scrive:
      Re: il FUTURO
      - Scritto da: bye
      il futuro sara una specie di cellulare con la
      potenza di un PC. Lo si porta via per chiamare e
      a casa o in ufficio si connetterà con monitor e
      tastiera.
      Ciaosi, invece della penna usb ci sarà il pc usb :D
    • Indovinator e scrive:
      Re: il FUTURO
      Ma è l'aifon?
    • Redpill scrive:
      Re: il FUTURO
      - Scritto da: bye
      il futuro sara una specie di cellulare con la
      potenza di un PC. Lo si porta via per chiamare e
      a casa o in ufficio si connetterà con monitor e
      tastiera.
      CiaoNon è nemmeno tanto futurohttp://www.telefonino.net/Motorola/Notizie/n25795/Motorola-Atrix-4G-lo-smartphone-diventa-netbook.html
      • banca scrive:
        Re: il FUTURO
        - Scritto da: Redpill
        - Scritto da: bye

        il futuro sara una specie di cellulare con la

        potenza di un PC. Lo si porta via per chiamare e

        a casa o in ufficio si connetterà con monitor e

        tastiera.

        Ciao

        Non è nemmeno tanto futuro
        http://www.telefonino.net/Motorola/Notizie/n25795/ahahah bello, mi ricorda GORDIAN ;)
      • ciccio quanta ciccia scrive:
        Re: il FUTURO
        Ma che senso ha??? La docking station è praticamente un netbook di suo per dimensioni e peso... dove sta la comodità??? Meglio netbook e cell separati a questo punto... almeno se uno schiatta, l'altro funziona ancora, con sto coso che fai? Ti compri un altro Motorola per attaccarlo al dock?A questo punto meglio un LG o l'N8, li attacchi via HDMI a uno schermo e usi tastiera e mouse bluetooth e via... o se vuoi la mobilità un bel netbook e via o qualsiasi buon smartphone con tastiera fisica decente.
    • Be&O scrive:
      Re: il FUTURO
      Peccato che non avremo il tempo di usarlo......perchè si lavorerà 23 ore su 24 per avere una paga di 23.99 .....cafolen .... nemmeno questo mese lo compero !
    • ruppolo scrive:
      Re: il FUTURO
      - Scritto da: bye
      il futuro sara una specie di cellulare con la
      potenza di un PC. Lo si porta via per chiamare e
      a casa o in ufficio si connetterà con monitor e
      tastiera.
      CiaoBenvenuto nel PRESENTE: Apple iPhone.
      • panda rossa scrive:
        Re: il FUTURO
        - Scritto da: ruppolo
        - Scritto da: bye

        il futuro sara una specie di cellulare con la

        potenza di un PC. Lo si porta via per chiamare e

        a casa o in ufficio si connetterà con monitor e

        tastiera.

        Ciao

        Benvenuto nel PRESENTE: Apple iPhone.A 25 dollari?Benvenuto nel mondo delle favole.
  • lroby scrive:
    Allucinante
    Incredibile quello che si riesce a fare in pochissimi centimetri quadrati, alla faccia dell'estrema miniaturizzazione :D
    • NS256 scrive:
      Re: Allucinante
      - Scritto da: lroby
      Incredibile quello che si riesce a fare in
      pochissimi centimetri quadrati, alla faccia
      dell'estrema miniaturizzazione
      :DEcco ora spiegalo alle donne !
    • bertuccia scrive:
      Re: Allucinante
      - Scritto da: lroby

      Incredibile quello che si riesce a fare in
      pochissimi centimetri quadratidisse il "miniaturizzato"
      • lroby scrive:
        Re: Allucinante
        - Scritto da: bertuccia
        disse il "miniaturizzato"Guarda che l'ho scritto io, non tu! :D
        • bertuccia scrive:
          Re: Allucinante
          - Scritto da: lroby

          Guarda che l'ho scritto io, non tu! :Dma io completavo la frasemica mi riferivo indirettamente a te! :D
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: Allucinante
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            - Scritto da: lroby



            Guarda che l'ho scritto io, non tu! :D

            ma io completavo la frase
            mica mi riferivo indirettamente a te! :Dah ok allora LOL :D
  • iRoby scrive:
    Costo device
    Qualcuno si rende conto del costo di produzione di questi oggetti, ma soprattutto di tutti quegli altri che si basano su questi?Smartphone, tablet, e piccoli netbook basati su ARM. Hanno costi ridicoli e vengono venduti ad 6x o 8x il loro costo di produzione.
    • attonito scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      - Scritto da: iRoby
      Qualcuno si rende conto del costo di produzione
      di questi oggetti, ma soprattutto di tutti quegli
      altri che si basano su
      questi?

      Smartphone, tablet, e piccoli netbook basati su
      ARM. Hanno costi ridicoli e vengono venduti ad 6x
      o 8x il loro costo di produzione.finche ci saranno dei tizi disposti a spendere 6-700E per uno smartphone, ci saranno sempre degli altri tizi dispostissimi a venderglieli.
      • bertuccia scrive:
        Re: Costo device
        - Scritto da: attonito

        finche ci saranno dei tizi disposti a spendere
        6-700E per uno smartphone, ci saranno sempre
        degli altri tizi dispostissimi a
        venderglieli.non so i costi dei vari terminali android, ma il costo del solo ferro di iPhone4 è stato stimato a circa $200.aggiungi i costi di progettazione, assemblaggio, programmazione software, marketing, ecc... e fai conto che alla fine dovrebbe rimanere un profitto, per permettere ulteriore ricerca e sviluppocomparato a questi costi, il ferro è certamente la spesa minore.. fatevi 2 contia volte vedo dei ragionamenti che manco un bambino..
        • panda rossa scrive:
          Re: Costo device
          - Scritto da: bertuccia
          - Scritto da: attonito



          finche ci saranno dei tizi disposti a spendere

          6-700E per uno smartphone, ci saranno sempre

          degli altri tizi dispostissimi a

          venderglieli.

          non so i costi dei vari terminali android, ma il
          costo del solo ferro di iPhone4 è stato stimato a
          circa
          $200.Stimato da chi?Quanto pesa un iPhone?Fai un po' un banale calcolo di quanto costa al chilo, e vedrai che nessuno dei singoli componenti ha un costo al chilo di quell'importo.Ti bevi tutta la solita fuffa marketing che ti propinano.
          aggiungi i costi di progettazione, assemblaggio,
          programmazione software, marketing, ecc... e fai
          conto che alla fine dovrebbe rimanere un
          profitto, per permettere ulteriore ricerca e
          sviluppoHa venduto piu' di 100 milioni di unita'.Basta un dollaro per unita' e sei rientrato ampiamente in tutti i costi di progettazione, assemblaggio, etc... tranne il marketing che e' un costo a parte.Quindi prezzo al chilo del materiale piu' un dollaro per ricerca e sviluppo, tutto il resto sono spese di marketing e arricchimento di jobs.E tu sei pure convinto di aver speso poco: che potere che ha il marketing, vero?
          comparato a questi costi, il ferro è certamente
          la spesa minore.. fatevi 2
          conti

          a volte vedo dei ragionamenti che manco un
          bambino..In effetti i miei figli si sorprenderebbero di sapere come sia possibile che cosi' tanta gente abbia buttato i loro soldi, convinti pure di aver pagato il giusto per un oggetto del genere.
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            Fai un po' un banale calcolo di quanto costa al
            chilo, e vedrai che nessuno dei singoli
            componenti ha un costo al chilo di
            quell'importo.che figure, panda rossa :$il tuo caro amico google, non lo sai usare?[img]http://www.isuppli.com/PublishingImages/Press%20Releases/2010-06-28_iPhone4.JPG[/img]

            Ti bevi tutta la solita fuffa marketing che ti
            propinano.tu ti bevi di peggio.
            Ha venduto piu' di 100 milioni di unita'.
            Basta un dollaro per unita' e sei rientrato
            ampiamente in tutti i costi di progettazione,
            assemblaggio, etc... tranne il marketing che e'
            un costo a
            parte.ho capito, se uno ha sucXXXXX tu lo vuoi punire.secondo il tuo ragionamento, gli U2 dovrebbero praticamente regalare i biglietti dei loro concerti, perchè ci vanno milioni di persone.. 1 euro a biglietto e rientravano di brutto delle spese.. al contrario, un biglietto degli sfortunati NOFX dovrebbe costare un centinaio di dollari giusto?

            Quindi prezzo al chilo del materiale piu' un
            dollaro per ricerca e sviluppo, tutto il resto
            sono spese di marketing e arricchimento di
            jobs.ci sono 10 anni di ricerca da ripagare.. le scommesse che fruttano di più sono le più rischiose, non lo sapevi?

            E tu sei pure convinto di aver speso poco: che
            potere che ha il marketing,
            vero?io sono convinto di aver speso il giusto.che mi dici di chi ha speso $600+ per un galaxy tab, che dopo un mese veniva venduto a $350?ti ricordo che iPhone 3GS, ormai quasi 2 generazioni indietro, vale tuttora 500 euro.E li vale non perchè l'ha deciso apple, ma perchè la gente gli riconosce quel valore.
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: bertuccia

            io sono convinto di aver speso il giusto.

            che mi dici di chi ha speso $600+ per un galaxy
            tab, che dopo un mese veniva venduto a
            $350?E' la dimostrazione che l'hardware costa 25 dollari, come l'aggeggio dell'articolo.Tutto il resto e' una gran cresta, che Samsung, una volta rientrata dall'investimento iniziale, fa diminuire, mentre apple continua imperterrita a farsi pagare dai propri sudditi, i quali a quanto pare ci godono pure.Contento tu, contenti tutti.Io preferisco spendere il minimo e sopperire col mio cervello.
            ti ricordo che iPhone 3GS, ormai quasi 2
            generazioni indietro, vale tuttora 500
            euro.
            E li vale non perchè l'ha deciso apple, ma perchè
            la gente gli riconosce quel
            valore.Quale gente? Quella indottrinata da apple?Perche' io proprio non gli attribuisco quel costo, e gli operai della Foxcomm neppure.
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            E' la dimostrazione che l'hardware costa 25
            dollari, come l'aggeggio
            dell'articolo.a parte che di ho dimostrato coi dati il reale prezzo del ferro, non l'hai ancora capito che ciò a cui io do il valore di 650euro è iPhone + AppStore + iTunes?Altrimenti potevo benissimo comprarmi il Desire di HTC a 350 euro.
            Tutto il resto e' una gran cresta, che Samsung,
            una volta rientrata dall'investimento iniziale,
            fa diminuire, mentre apple continua imperterrita
            a farsi pagare dai propri sudditi, i quali a
            quanto pare ci godono
            pure.quella di samsung era una gran cresta, perché c'era solo il dispositivo, no App, no ecosistema.. e infatti il reale valore è venuto a galla ben presto.per Apple il valore continua a rimanere, anche se il device è vecchio come il 3GS, proprio perché il device è solo una parte dell'ecosistema.

            Quale gente? Quella indottrinata da apple?la gente che ha capito.
            Perche' io proprio non gli attribuisco quel
            costo, e gli operai della Foxcomm
            neppure.hai finito di strumentalizzare sulla pelle di quegli operai? ipocrita
          • hermanhesse scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            - Scritto da: panda rossa



            E' la dimostrazione che l'hardware costa 25

            dollari, come l'aggeggio

            dell'articolo.

            a parte che di ho dimostrato coi dati il reale
            prezzo del ferro, non l'hai ancora capito che ciò
            a cui io do il valore di 650euro è iPhone +
            AppStore +
            iTunes?Cioè tu dai valore... ad uno strumento di Apple per ciularti più soldi possibili :D :D :D Ma LOL!

            Altrimenti potevo benissimo comprarmi il Desire
            di HTC a 350
            euro.Uhm, sì. Però non ci arrivi proprio...


            Tutto il resto e' una gran cresta, che Samsung,

            una volta rientrata dall'investimento iniziale,

            fa diminuire, mentre apple continua imperterrita

            a farsi pagare dai propri sudditi, i quali a

            quanto pare ci godono

            pure.

            quella di samsung era una gran cresta, perché
            c'era solo il dispositivo, no App, no
            ecosistema.. e infatti il reale valore è venuto a
            galla ben
            presto.

            per Apple il valore continua a rimanere, anche se
            il device è vecchio come il 3GS, proprio perché
            il device è solo una parte
            dell'ecosistema.:D :D :D :DSei = a Ruppolo ! Oppure... sei Ruppolo? Perchè ormai mi viene il dubbio.




            Quale gente? Quella indottrinata da apple?

            la gente che ha capito.TU avresti capito? Cosa di grazia?


            Perche' io proprio non gli attribuisco quel

            costo, e gli operai della Foxcomm

            neppure.

            hai finito di strumentalizzare sulla pelle di
            quegli operai?
            ipocritaVergognati su questo discorso, verso i tuoi post precedenti dovresti evitare di dare dell'ipocrita agli altri.PS: ho sei alto due metri e mezzo e pesi 180 kg oppure prima o poi se ti comporti anche nella realtà così qualcuno che perde la pazienza realmente lo trovi :D
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: hermanhesse

            Cioè tu dai valore... ad uno strumento di Apple
            per ciularti più soldi possibili :D :D :D

            Ma LOL!che ti piaccia o no.. sono AppStore e iTunes a dare valore ad iPhone e iPad..se non lo capisci.. peggio per te, non so che dirti

            Uhm, sì. Però non ci arrivi proprio...eh si guarda ""non ci arrivo"".inizia a dimostrarmi che è possibile installare senza problemi 7GB di App sul Desire senza incombere nei problemi dovuti alla memoria interna limitata..inizia a dimostrarmi come installare tomtom sul Desire..lo capisci che la gente può avere esigenze diverse dalle tue?

            :D :D :D :D

            Sei = a Ruppolo !certo, per te che dividi tutti in amici (=android) e nemici (=apple), probabilmente è vero
            Oppure... sei Ruppolo? Perchè
            ormai mi viene il
            dubbio.non sono ruppolo, e non ho mai usato cloni al di fuori di quelli noti a tutti (che tra l'altro sono usati anche da altri (che nemmeno conosco))

            TU avresti capito? Cosa di grazia?che masturbarsi davanti all'hw è piuttosto inutile

            Vergognati su questo discorso, verso i tuoi post
            precedenti dovresti evitare di dare dell'ipocrita
            agli altri.ipocrita anche tu.

            PS: ho sei alto due metri e mezzo e pesi 180 kg^THIS :)
          • hermanhesse scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            - Scritto da: hermanhesse



            Cioè tu dai valore... ad uno strumento di Apple

            per ciularti più soldi possibili :D :D :D



            Ma LOL!

            che ti piaccia o no.. sono AppStore e iTunes a
            dare valore ad iPhone e
            iPad..
            se non lo capisci.. peggio per te, non so che
            dirtiGuarda vivo benissimo e quel mattone di iTunes lo uso solo (sfortunatamente) con i due iPod che ho (regalati, non acquistati).




            Uhm, sì. Però non ci arrivi proprio...

            eh si guarda ""non ci arrivo"".
            inizia a dimostrarmi che è possibile installare
            senza problemi 7GB di App sul Desire senza
            incombere nei problemi dovuti alla memoria
            interna
            limitata..

            inizia a dimostrarmi come installare tomtom sul
            Desire..

            lo capisci che la gente può avere esigenze
            diverse dalle
            tue?Io sì, tu invece non ci arrivi e quindi devo spendere un capitale... e continuare a spendere per ogni singola applicazione che compro.PS: ma sul Desire non c'è il navigatore integrato di Google o sbaglio? 7GB di App??? Ma di che App si tratta :D :D :D :D !!!!!




            :D :D :D :D



            Sei = a Ruppolo !

            certo, per te che dividi tutti in amici
            (=android) e nemici (=apple), probabilmente è
            veroNo, guarda, io divido tutti tra persone che usano la propria testa e persone che parlano postando statistiche e dicendo "se vende tanto è perchè deve andare per forza bene".


            Oppure... sei Ruppolo? Perchè

            ormai mi viene il

            dubbio.

            non sono ruppolo, e non ho mai usato cloni al di
            fuori di quelli noti a tutti (che tra l'altro
            sono usati anche da altri (che nemmeno conosco))Io sinceramente non li "noto" :D :D :DQuali sono?





            TU avresti capito? Cosa di grazia?

            che masturbarsi davanti all'hw è piuttosto inutileGià, meglio un App porn....ops, non puoi (ROTFL) !




            Vergognati su questo discorso, verso i tuoi post

            precedenti dovresti evitare di dare
            dell'ipocrita

            agli altri.

            ipocrita anche tu.gnegnegne. Andiamo a rileggere cosa hai scritto?Andiamo a riprendere la tua "statitstica" che confronta i morti Foxconn con i morti generici della Cina?Poi vediamo chi è ipocrita e che non ha avuto nemmeno il buon gusto di dire "scusate, è vero, il confronto che sto facendo funziona solo bene in Apple"




            PS: ho sei alto due metri e mezzo e pesi 180 kg

            ^THIS :)Devi fare un terribile rumore quando cadi a terra...
          • Doh scrive:
            Re: Costo device

            Vergognati su questo discorso, verso i tuoi post
            precedenti dovresti evitare di dare dell'ipocrita
            agli
            altri.uh ????????
            PS: ho sei alto due metri e mezzo e pesi 180 kg
            oppure prima o poi se ti comporti anche nella
            realtà così qualcuno che perde la pazienza
            realmente lo trovi
            :Duh ?????????mah... mi sa che lo stiamo perdendo...
          • hermanhesse scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            mah, mi sa che non sai di cosa stiamo parlando.Perciò... aria!
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            - Scritto da: panda rossa



            E' la dimostrazione che l'hardware costa 25

            dollari, come l'aggeggio

            dell'articolo.

            a parte che di ho dimostrato coi dati il reale
            prezzo del ferro, non l'hai ancora capito che ciò
            a cui io do il valore di 650euro è iPhone +
            AppStore +
            iTunes?Ah, sono tutti compresi nel prezzo?Pensa che invece io avevo capito che il costo della connessione e delle app si pagasse a parte.

            Perche' io proprio non gli attribuisco quel

            costo, e gli operai della Foxcomm

            neppure.

            hai finito di strumentalizzare sulla pelle di
            quegli operai?
            ipocritaAdesso sono io che li ricordo, quello che li strumentalizza?Non e' apple che li schiavizza!Schiavizzarli va bene, ma parlarne non va bene.Tu paga e lavati la coscienza.
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            Ah, sono tutti compresi nel prezzo?
            Pensa che invece io avevo capito che il costo
            della connessione e delle app si pagasse a
            parte.è un servizio, che io ho e tu no.tale servizio mi ha permesso per esempio di avere tomtom a 60euro e aggiornamenti automatici e gratuiti, cosa che tu non potrai mai avere.sei felice con altre soluzioni? buon per te, ma la possibilità di avere tomtom non ce l'hai.

            Adesso sono io che li ricordo, quello che li
            strumentalizza?no tu sei l'ipocrita
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            - Scritto da: panda rossa



            Ah, sono tutti compresi nel prezzo?

            Pensa che invece io avevo capito che il costo

            della connessione e delle app si pagasse a

            parte.

            è un servizio, che io ho e tu no.E' un servizio che tu paghi e io no, che a me non serve!
            tale servizio mi ha permesso per esempio di avere
            tomtom a 60euro e aggiornamenti automatici e
            gratuiti, cosa che tu non potrai mai
            avere.Io ho ancora i miei 60 euro in tasca, un software libero per le mappe stradali, e gli aggiornamenti gratuiti come tutto il resto del mio software.
            sei felice con altre soluzioni? buon per te, ma
            la possibilità di avere tomtom non ce l'hai.E non la voglio neanche avere se richiede esborso di denaro.

            Adesso sono io che li ricordo, quello che li

            strumentalizza?

            no tu sei l'ipocritaTu sei quello che butta i soldi.
          • pippO scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa
            - Scritto da: bertuccia

            - Scritto da: panda rossa





            Ah, sono tutti compresi nel prezzo?


            Pensa che invece io avevo capito che il costo


            della connessione e delle app si pagasse a


            parte.



            è un servizio, che io ho e tu no.

            E' un servizio che tu paghi e io no, che a me non
            serve!


            tale servizio mi ha permesso per esempio di
            avere

            tomtom a 60euro e aggiornamenti automatici e

            gratuiti, cosa che tu non potrai mai

            avere.

            Io ho ancora i miei 60 euro in tasca, un software
            libero per le mappe stradali, e gli aggiornamenti
            gratuiti come tutto il resto del mio
            software.Si, trovato sul mulo vero? :D
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: pippO

            Io ho ancora i miei 60 euro in tasca, un
            software

            libero per le mappe stradali, e gli
            aggiornamenti

            gratuiti come tutto il resto del mio

            software.

            Si, trovato sul mulo vero? :DNo, trovato sul repository di Canonical.Io dal mulo non scarico software: tutto il software che mi serve sta sui repository.
          • pippO scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa
            - Scritto da: pippO



            Io ho ancora i miei 60 euro in tasca, un

            software


            libero per le mappe stradali, e gli

            aggiornamenti


            gratuiti come tutto il resto del mio


            software.



            Si, trovato sul mulo vero? :D

            No, trovato sul repository di Canonical.
            Io dal mulo non scarico software: tutto il
            software che mi serve sta sui
            repository.Cert tomtom.rar sono solo bit, mica software :D
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: pippO
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            - Scritto da: pippO





            Io ho ancora i miei 60 euro in tasca, un


            software



            libero per le mappe stradali, e gli


            aggiornamenti



            gratuiti come tutto il resto del mio



            software.





            Si, trovato sul mulo vero? :D



            No, trovato sul repository di Canonical.

            Io dal mulo non scarico software: tutto il

            software che mi serve sta sui

            repository.
            Cert tomtom.rar sono solo bit, mica software :DSe e' un .rar non e' per linux.I pacchetti per linux sono .tgz .deb .rpm
          • mela marcia doc scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            è un servizio, che io ho e tu no.
            tale servizio mi ha permesso per esempio di avere
            tomtom a 60euro e aggiornamenti automatici e
            gratuiti, cosa che tu non potrai mai
            avere.Scusa è, ma io col mio Nokia 5800 Navigation Edition, ho tutto questo (Mappe mondiali, aggiornamenti, segnalatore autovelox, POI, pianificazione itinerari, app per allenamenti, app per usare il telefono come antenna GPS con google earth) gratis per sempre ed ho speso all'epoca 180 euro.
          • Alcolemic AKA Il Solito scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: mela marcia doc
            - Scritto da: bertuccia


            è un servizio, che io ho e tu no.

            tale servizio mi ha permesso per esempio di
            avere

            tomtom a 60euro e aggiornamenti automatici e

            gratuiti, cosa che tu non potrai mai

            avere.

            Scusa è, ma io col mio Nokia 5800 Navigation
            Edition, ho tutto questo (Mappe mondiali,
            aggiornamenti, segnalatore autovelox, POI,
            pianificazione itinerari, app per allenamenti,
            app per usare il telefono come antenna GPS con
            google earth) gratis per sempre ed ho speso
            all'epoca 180
            euro.Ma il Nokia è out, non è 3ndy!
          • acid junkie s scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa
            Tu paga e lavati la coscienza.Tu ruba e rimani con la coscienza sXXXXX.BUFFONE
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: acid junkie s
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            Tu paga e lavati la coscienza.

            Tu ruba e rimani con la coscienza sXXXXX.

            BUFFONE(rotfl)patetico rosicone.
          • acid junkie s scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            PATETICO BUFFONE
        • Funz scrive:
          Re: Costo device
          - Scritto da: bertuccia
          - Scritto da: attonito



          finche ci saranno dei tizi disposti a spendere

          6-700E per uno smartphone, ci saranno sempre

          degli altri tizi dispostissimi a

          venderglieli.

          non so i costi dei vari terminali android, ma il
          costo del solo ferro di iPhone4 è stato stimato a
          circa
          $200.

          aggiungi i costi di progettazione, assemblaggio,
          programmazione software, marketing, ecc... e fai
          conto che alla fine dovrebbe rimanere un
          profitto, per permettere ulteriore ricerca e
          sviluppo

          comparato a questi costi, il ferro è certamente
          la spesa minore.. fatevi 2
          conti

          a volte vedo dei ragionamenti che manco un
          bambino..certo, certo, ma tra i 200$ del ferro e il prezzo finale ci vedo un bel marginone ciccione anche aggiungendo tutti i cats&mats che vuoi...
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: Funz

            certo, certo, ma tra i 200$ del ferro e il prezzo
            finale ci vedo un bel marginone ciccione anche
            aggiungendo tutti i cats&mats che
            vuoi...tipo aggiungendo 10 anni di ricerca e sviluppo?
          • Funz scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            - Scritto da: Funz



            certo, certo, ma tra i 200$ del ferro e il
            prezzo

            finale ci vedo un bel marginone ciccione anche

            aggiungendo tutti i cats&mats che

            vuoi...

            tipo aggiungendo 10 anni di ricerca e sviluppo?Ma neanche aggiungendo tutta la R&S che vuoi... che d'altronde va spalmata su tutti gli i-cosi dal primo ipad in poi, e sul macOS.
        • Picchiatell o scrive:
          Re: Costo device
          - Scritto da: bertuccia

          aggiungi i costi di progettazione, assemblaggio,
          programmazione software, marketing, ecc... e fai
          conto che alla fine dovrebbe rimanere un
          profitto, per permettere ulteriore ricerca e
          sviluppo
          il problema principale che che quasi tutti i produttori di hardware fino ad ora si sono affidati nelle mani di quella "....." di sistema operativo di redmond... e come alternativa avevi i prodotti apple gli unici ad essere supportati dal produttore...
    • collione scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      ma è così in tutti i settori industriali oggichi fa i soldi sono i produttori ( chiamiamoli così va ) e i bottegai, entrambi fanno la cresta su roba prodotto in Cina, India e compagnia a prezzi stracciatissimiho scritto alcuni giorni fa proprio qui della mia esperienza con un trolley comprato a 7 euro presso l'azienda che lo produce ( che poi significa ordinare in Cina e importare ) e questo perchè ovviamente ho un amico che conosce il proprietarioma il punto è che quello stesso bene in commercio lo trovi a 60-90 euro, quindi una bella cresta del 1000% e oltre
    • Francesco_Holy87 scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      Ciò che fa lievitare il prezzo sono la qualità dei materiali, la batteria, l'ampio display capacitivo... Certamente il prezzo non è giustificato, ma io credo che 200 dollari siano più che sufficienti.
      • NS256 scrive:
        Re: Costo device
        - Scritto da: Francesco_Holy87
        Ciò che fa lievitare il prezzo sono la qualità
        dei materiali, la batteria, l'ampio display
        capacitivo... Certamente il prezzo non è
        giustificato, ma io credo che 200 dollari siano
        più che
        sufficienti.AMPIO display ? quindi stai parlando del Galaxy S e del Desire HD giusto ?
    • user_ scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      io l'ho sempre pensato che i computer mac apple costano molto piu' di quello che in realtà valgono, come anche tanti cellulari.
    • cognome scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      - Scritto da: iRoby
      Qualcuno si rende conto del costo di produzione
      di questi oggetti, ma soprattutto di tutti quegli
      altri che si basano su
      questi?

      Smartphone, tablet, e piccoli netbook basati su
      ARM. Hanno costi ridicoli e vengono venduti ad 6x
      o 8x il loro costo di
      produzione.E' un po off-topic, rispetto la notizia.Comunque è vero, tutti gli apparecchi elettronici vengono venduti molto al di sopra del loro valore di partenza.Se prendiamo i ricambi auto per esempio, un singolo sensore che la fabbrica vende a 20 euro, bulk in scatole da 100 pezzi, costa 190 euro in negozio...La fabbrica vendendolo a 20 euro gia ci guadagna oltre il 50%.Un iPhone o iPad che sia che costa mediamente 500 euro, la fabbrica lo vende in partenza a circa 55 euro.E ci guadagna pure!Capito perchè queste multinazionali fanno i soldi?In pratica tu compri un telofono o tablet a 500 euro, mentre in realtà ne vale si e no 30.Beati i fessi che comprano, spendono e spandono credendo di fare le figura dei "fighetti".Ahahahah.
      • NS256 scrive:
        Re: Costo device
        - Scritto da: cognome
        - Scritto da: iRoby

        Qualcuno si rende conto del costo di produzione

        di questi oggetti, ma soprattutto di tutti
        quegli

        altri che si basano su

        questi?



        Smartphone, tablet, e piccoli netbook basati su

        ARM. Hanno costi ridicoli e vengono venduti ad
        6x

        o 8x il loro costo di

        produzione.

        E' un po off-topic, rispetto la notizia.
        Comunque è vero, tutti gli apparecchi elettronici
        vengono venduti molto al di sopra del loro valore
        di
        partenza.

        Se prendiamo i ricambi auto per esempio, un
        singolo sensore che la fabbrica vende a 20 euro,
        bulk in scatole da 100 pezzi, costa 190 euro in
        negozio...

        La fabbrica vendendolo a 20 euro gia ci guadagna
        oltre il
        50%.

        Un iPhone o iPad che sia che costa mediamente 500
        euro, la fabbrica lo vende in partenza a circa 55
        euro.
        E ci guadagna pure!

        Capito perchè queste multinazionali fanno i soldi?

        In pratica tu compri un telofono o tablet a 500
        euro, mentre in realtà ne vale si e no
        30.

        Beati i fessi che comprano, spendono e spandono
        credendo di fare le figura dei
        "fighetti".

        Ahahahah.Poi una nota catena di elettronica contenente la parola "world" fa il sottocosto con l'ipad vecchio vendendolo a 299 euro e la gente impazzisce e fa le code in strada poichè "a quel prezzo è regalato"
      • bertuccia scrive:
        Re: Costo device
        - Scritto da: cognome

        Un iPhone o iPad che sia che costa mediamente 500
        euro, la fabbrica lo vende in partenza a circa 55
        euro.
        E ci guadagna pure!bugiardo!il solo ferro di iPhone4 costa circa $200, a cui aggiungere i costi di assemblaggio (per pochi che siano)il ferro di iPad2 addirittura si stima che venga circa $330
        In pratica tu compri un telofono o tablet a 500
        euro, mentre in realtà ne vale si e no
        30.che faccia tosta (o ignoranza?)

        Beati i fessi che comprano, spendono e spandono
        credendo di fare le figura dei
        "fighetti".beati quelli che si credono fighi perchè pensano di fare controinformazione e invece sparano solo delle gran XXXXXXcce
        • panda rossa scrive:
          Re: Costo device
          - Scritto da: bertuccia
          - Scritto da: cognome



          Un iPhone o iPad che sia che costa mediamente
          500

          euro, la fabbrica lo vende in partenza a circa
          55

          euro.

          E ci guadagna pure!

          bugiardo!

          il solo ferro di iPhone4 costa circa $200, a cui
          aggiungere i costi di assemblaggio (per pochi che
          siano)

          il ferro di iPad2 addirittura si stima che venga
          circa
          $330Insisti?Indicaci una fonte non apple che sia in grado di dimostrare che pochi grammi di plastica, vetro e silicio costano piu' di 200 dollari.
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            Insisti?
            Indicaci una fonte non apple che sia in grado di
            dimostrare che pochi grammi di plastica, vetro e
            silicio costano piu' di 200 dollari.dove avrei detto "più" di $200?comunque eccoti servito[img]http://www.isuppli.com/PublishingImages/Press%20Releases/2010-06-28_iPhone4.JPG[/img]
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            - Scritto da: panda rossa



            Insisti?

            Indicaci una fonte non apple che sia in grado di

            dimostrare che pochi grammi di plastica, vetro e

            silicio costano piu' di 200 dollari.

            dove avrei detto "più" di $200?

            comunque eccoti servito
            Quello e' il prezzo al pubblico di ogni singolo componente.Quello che pagheresti tu se andassi a comprarli al negozietto di elettronica, comprensivi del ricarico del negoziante.Prova a fare lo stesso sommando i costi di tutti i pezzi di ricambio della panda, e vedrai che la somma dei singoli pezzi supera di piu' del doppio il costo della Panda (manodopera esclusa). Se invece ti compri la fabbrica che li produce, i pezzi dell'iPhone, per fare 100 milioni di pezzi, puoi tranquillamente togliere uno zero a ciascun prezzo.
          • pippO scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa
            Prova a fare lo stesso sommando i costi di tutti
            i pezzi di ricambio della panda, e vedrai che la
            somma dei singoli pezzi supera di piu' del doppio
            il costo della Panda (manodopera
            esclusa).

            Se invece ti compri la fabbrica che li produce, i
            pezzi dell'iPhone, per fare 100 milioni di pezzi,
            puoi tranquillamente togliere uno zero a ciascun
            prezzo.Se vuoi c'è una fabbrica di panda a Melfi in vendita, prezzo modico, no perditempo... :D
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            Se invece ti compri la fabbrica che li produce, i
            pezzi dell'iPhone, per fare 100 milioni di pezzi,
            puoi tranquillamente togliere uno zero a ciascun
            prezzo.direi che potresti ricambiare la mia gentilezza con un link a sostegno delle tue tesi
          • panda rossa scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            - Scritto da: panda rossa



            Se invece ti compri la fabbrica che li produce,
            i

            pezzi dell'iPhone, per fare 100 milioni di
            pezzi,

            puoi tranquillamente togliere uno zero a ciascun

            prezzo.

            direi che potresti ricambiare la mia gentilezza
            con un link a sostegno delle tue
            tesiLo sto cercando, ma non ne trovo di cosi' belli dettagliati come la tua tabellina.Pero' piu' o meno ho trovato prezzi approssimati per motore, ruote, sedili e componenti di carrozzeria, che gia' quelli sommati assieme arrivano a 6/7000 euro, quando una panda nuova costa 9500 euro.
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa

            Pero' piu' o meno ho trovato prezzi approssimati
            per motore, ruote, sedili e componenti di
            carrozzeria, che gia' quelli sommati assieme
            arrivano a 6/7000 euro, quando una panda nuova
            costa 9500 euro.ti ricordo che stavi cercando di dimostrare che i prezzi che ho linkato sono errati.. non me ne può fregar di meno della tua panda rotta..risparmiati la fatica, c'è solo un FAIL alla fine del tunnel
          • hermanhesse scrive:
            Re: Costo device

            risparmiati la fatica, c'è solo un FAIL alla fine
            del
            tunnelPer questo suggerisco sempre a tutti di non perdere tempo con gente come te con discrosi un minimo "seri".Primo perchè non li capisci, secondo perchè ci pensi da solo a fare un EPIC FAIL. (ROTFL)
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: Costo device

            Lo sto cercando, ma non ne trovo di cosi' belli
            dettagliati come la tua
            tabellina.Ti ho detto che passi troppo tempo in cantina. Apple è un'azienda sul mercato pubblico di conseguenza presenta un bilancio certificato. Dal conto economico sai immediatamente quant'è il ricarico medio sui prodotti apple ... il costo che ha citato Bertuccia è plausibilissimo visto che dati SEC alla mano Apple riporta un margine lordo di 25.6 B$ su un fatturato di 65 B$ vuol dire che mediamente apple carica sul costo del venduto un 40%. 330$ + 40% = 462...
          • acno scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: panda rossa
            Quello e' il prezzo al pubblico di ogni singolo
            componente.
            Quello che pagheresti tu se andassi a comprarli
            al negozietto di elettronica, comprensivi del
            ricarico del
            negoziante.No, i prezzi riportati sono in linea con quelli di venditadei produttori, al massimo vanno limati per i per grossi contratti.Comunque, un prezzo di vendita 3 a 1 e' perfettamente normale in questi settori, ci sono i costi produzione, i costi di distribuzione, i costi di marketing, etc etc. Del resto anche il personale gentile nel bel negozio ..... costa!
        • iRoby scrive:
          Re: Costo device
          L'altro giorno ho comprato questo pad cinese con Android.Capacitivo, e caratteristiche identiche o superiori al primo iPad.È ventuto 199 euro inclusa spedizione DHL dalla Cina. Ci guadagnano produttore e catena di vendita con il portalone http://DHGate.com[img]http://image.dhgate.com/albu_108955900_00/1.0x0.jpg[/img]-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 10 maggio 2011 12.28-----------------------------------------------------------
    • MacUserFrom 89 scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      Ai tempi della scuola media (vecchia, quella col Latino) facemmo una ricerca sul costo di una lavatrice Candy. Costava 80.000 £, ma tutti quanti i costi sommati erano di 10.400 £, cioè il 13%.Questo nell'Italia dei primi anni '60, la Cina di allora. Non ho idea di quanto costasse esportata negli USA.Se si fa il conto di qualsiasi prodotto, in qualsiasi epoca, la percentuale non si discosta molto da quel 13%.-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 10 maggio 2011 01.56-----------------------------------------------------------
      • NS256 scrive:
        Re: Costo device
        Modificato dall' autore il 10 maggio 2011 01.56
        --------------------------------------------------Il resto è servito a finanziare il video "Paninaro" dei Pet Shop Boys dove si vedeva ripetutamente l'insegna "Candy" in piazza Diaz a Milano (ora non c'è piu quell'insegna)
    • nome e cognome scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      - Scritto da: iRoby
      Qualcuno si rende conto del costo di produzione
      di questi oggetti, ma soprattutto di tutti quegli
      altri che si basano su
      questi?

      Smartphone, tablet, e piccoli netbook basati su
      ARM. Hanno costi ridicoli e vengono venduti ad 6x
      o 8x il loro costo di
      produzione.Mah... ragionamento fin troppo semplicistico. Se vai a vedere il costo di produzione TUTTO ha un costo ridicolo rispetto a quanto lo paghi. Solo che per far funzionare un'azienda non bastano gli operai e i macchinari.
    • mchollyons scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      maio veramente avevo visto dei prezzi solo per il micro arm sui 50 $, e poi tutto il resto, a dire il vero non capisco come facciano a guadagnare tenendo prezzi cosi bassi.
      • derek jeeter scrive:
        Re: Costo device
        ok per i costi dei soli materiali, ma le macchine e il loro mantenimento hanno dei costi, gli operai hanno dei costi, la pubblicità ha dei costi, e soprattutto, gli ingegneri che inventano STI COSI hanno dei costi!
        • Alcolemic AKA Il Solito scrive:
          Re: Costo device
          - Scritto da: derek jeeter
          ok per i costi dei soli materiali, ma le macchine
          e il loro mantenimento hanno dei costi, gli
          operai hanno dei costi, la pubblicità ha dei
          costi, e soprattutto, gli ingegneri che inventano
          STI COSI hanno dei
          costi!ma no, scherzi? una volta che hai dato 500 X il primo prodotto, l'ingegnere è pagato, no?
    • Gibbo scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      ancora? Il prezzo NON è funzione del costo ed è BENE che sia così (fintanto che c'è libero mercato)
      • iRoby scrive:
        Re: Costo device
        E perché?Perché il prezzo del bene deve essere deciso dal marketing o dalla percezione dell'utente?Perché si deve definire in base a quanto il cliente è disposto a pagarlo?
        • ruppolo scrive:
          Re: Costo device
          Perché esiste un valore aggiunto. Valore che tu dovesti conoscere molto bene, visto il lavoro che fai...
    • Be&O scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      Ma va........no non toccate iTarocco ........li vale tutti.... i 25 dollari ! (rotfl)
    • ruppolo scrive:
      Re: Costo device
      Pensa quanto paghi una birra o una pizza, circa 10 volte il costo di produzione...
      • panda rossa scrive:
        Re: Costo device
        - Scritto da: ruppolo
        Pensa quanto paghi una birra o una pizza, circa
        10 volte il costo di
        produzione...Se la pago in pizzeria, compreso nel prezzo della pizza c'e' pure il servizio.Posso farmela in casa, con acqua, farina, sale, pomodoro e mozzarella.La pizzeria mi offre invece un servizio concorrenziale al tempo che ci metterei a farmi la pizza da solo, e questo servizio sono disposto a pagarlo.Le major invece mi offrono un servizio nient'affatto concorrenziale al tempo che ci metterei a farmi le copie da solo, e quindi ne faccio volentieri a meno del loro servizio.Quando le pizzerie si metterano a vendere pizze a 20 euro, allora assisteremo ad un fenomeno di ritorno: chiuderanno le pizzerie per aprire al loro posto tante videoteche.
        • nome e cognome scrive:
          Re: Costo device

          Le major invece mi offrono un servizio
          nient'affatto concorrenziale al tempo che ci
          metterei a farmi le copie da solo, e quindi ne
          faccio volentieri a meno del loro
          servizio.Beh progettati e costruisciti da solo un pc, che ci vuole? Una stazione per saldatura ad onda usata costerà 40.000 euro... poi vendi un po' di pc a 25 euro e ti rifai dei costi.
          • pippO scrive:
            Re: Costo device
            - Scritto da: nome e cognome

            Le major invece mi offrono un servizio

            nient'affatto concorrenziale al tempo che ci

            metterei a farmi le copie da solo, e quindi ne

            faccio volentieri a meno del loro

            servizio.

            Beh progettati e costruisciti da solo un pc, che
            ci vuole? Una stazione per saldatura ad onda
            usata costerà 40.000 euro... poi vendi un po' di
            pc a 25 euro e ti rifai dei
            costi.Gli ho già offerto una fabbrica di panda, ma il tizio ha il braccino moooooolto corto :D
  • banca scrive:
    quale arm11?
    ESATTAMENTE quale ARM11 è?può essere il VIA WM8505 che è montato nel WonderMedia WM8650?
  • IL MORUZ scrive:
    Che passi avanti!!
    in pratica oggi con 25 dollari si può teoricamente avere un PC più performante di uno equivalente acquistabile 10-12 anni fa ad oltre 3 milioni di lire??
    • attonito scrive:
      Re: Che passi avanti!!
      - Scritto da: IL MORUZ
      in pratica oggi con 25 dollari si può
      teoricamente avere un PC più performante di uno
      equivalente acquistabile 10-12 anni fa ad oltre 3
      milioni di
      lire??l'XXXXXXXX e' che oggi i soft sono 20-30 volte piu' pesanti.
      • lroby scrive:
        Re: Che passi avanti!!
        - Scritto da: attonito
        l'XXXXXXXX e' che oggi i soft sono 20-30 volte
        piu'
        pesanti.Mah, un bel FLP super ottimizzato con Office 2000 limitato a Word, Excel e Powerpoint e verrebbe fuori un bel gingillino :D
    • cognome scrive:
      Re: Che passi avanti!!
      - Scritto da: IL MORUZ
      in pratica oggi con 25 dollari si può
      teoricamente avere un PC più performante di uno
      equivalente acquistabile 10-12 anni fa ad oltre 3
      milioni di
      lire??acquistabile o acquistato?
    • mela marcia doc scrive:
      Re: Che passi avanti!!
      - Scritto da: IL MORUZ
      in pratica oggi con 25 dollari si può
      teoricamente avere un PC più performante di uno
      equivalente acquistabile 10-12 anni fa ad oltre 3
      milioni di
      lire??Eh si, ricordo quando per il mio primo 486 spesi la bellezza di 2.500.000 lire:ProXXXXXre Intel dx2 66 MhzHD da 500 Mb4 Mb di RAMLettore ottico 2X!Monitor 15 polliciE mi ricordo che quando, dopo qualche hanno cambiai scheda madre e cpu per passare al Pentium Pro 200 Mhz, spesi un altro milione.Oggi con 1.200 euro ci fai un pc da giocatori Hardcore
      • ciccio quanta ciccia scrive:
        Re: Che passi avanti!!
        2011-10= 20012011-12=1999tu nel 1999 o nel 2001 compravi forse ancora un 486?? 4MB di RAM... Per 2,5 milioni di lire? Forse qualche annetto prima magari...
        • mela marcia doc scrive:
          Re: Che passi avanti!!
          Hai ragione, non ho specificato.Correva l'anno 1993.
          • ciccio quanta ciccia scrive:
            Re: Che passi avanti!!
            Ah ecco... siccome si parlava di tempi più recenti... ;)C'è anche da dire che - nonostante crisi, inflazione e palle varie - nel 1993 L.2.500.000 erano bei soldini.. specie in termini di stipendio. L'equivalente attuale in euro invece... sigh, sob!
      • TADsince1995 scrive:
        Re: Che passi avanti!!

        Oggi con 1.200 euro ci fai un pc da giocatori
        HardcoreAnche con molto meno ormai. Io gioco a Crysis 2 in FullHD con grafica "hardcore" con un quad core di 2 anni fa e una banale Zotac Geforce 460GTX Amp! da 139 euro...
        • mela marcia doc scrive:
          Re: Che passi avanti!!
          Intendevo quelli da veramente malati, con i pannelli laterali in plexiglass, la luce UV all'interno e i cavi fluorescenti.
          • Sgabbio scrive:
            Re: Che passi avanti!!
            Vabbè ma il case tamarro è un'altra cosa :DTra l'altro molti hardcore, cercano un case molto funzionali in termini di raffreddamento :D
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: Che passi avanti!!
            - Scritto da: Sgabbio
            Vabbè ma il case tamarro è un'altra cosa :D
            Tra l'altro molti hardcore, cercano un case molto
            funzionali in termini di raffreddamento
            :DPresente :DCase HAF 932 della Cooler Master, con 3 ventole (sopra, davanti, di lato) di serie di grandi dimensioni e a bassissimo regime per il miglior flusso d'aria al minimo del rumore.http://www.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http://xi0.info/img/6082/snapshot-newest-corps-cooler-master-haf_6082_2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://xi0.info/snapshot-newest-corps-cooler_6082.html&h=340&w=400&sz=212&tbnid=aX6KfkGpmzs4kM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=124&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dcooler%2Bmaster%2Bhaf%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=cooler+master+haf&hl=it&usg=__IVl0Zcw3unkD0w66UICCKAuaNt4=&sa=X&ei=B6vJTdcgkMyzBozYlNAD&ved=0CC0Q9QEwAw
          • mela marcia doc scrive:
            Re: Che passi avanti!!
            Ecco il mio (nella versione castigata con i led spenti): http://forums.pureoverclock.com/showthread.php?t=6329.Poi c'è chi lo preferisce così: http://gallery.techarena.in/showphoto.php/photo/29392
          • mela marcia doc scrive:
            Re: Che passi avanti!!
            - Scritto da: Sgabbio
            Tra l'altro molti hardcore, cercano un case molto
            funzionali in termini di raffreddamentoInfatti. Proprio per questo motivo mi sono dovuto comprare uno di questi cosi, perché d'estate il punto in cui è il PC è molto caldo e questo ha 2 ventole per il ricircolo dell'aria (una grossa sulla parte superiore ed una media nel posteriore) ed una ventola per ogni HD. Però una volta spenti tutti i led delle ventole ed avendo accuratamente evitato di mettere cavi fluorescenti, dall'esterno sembra un case qualunque.
  • attonito scrive:
    peccato la ram
    A ben vedere, il concetto e' un altro: l'hardware di oggi serve solo a far girare sistemi operativi XXXXXni (windows) ed elefantiache applicazioni non ottimizzate (msoffice).con linux ricompilato e tirato al chiado ci si puo lavorare (c'e' qulla distro che ti da un linux base piu' la grafica in soli 10M di ram) , ma appena ci metti su un firefox, ammazzi la ram. Servono applicativi leggeri leggeri, e usati uno o al massimo due alla volta.Buon inizio, ma la ram va almeno raddoppiata per poter essere usabile oppure -finalmente- gli applicativi vanno fatti dimagrire da tutte le schivezze inutili che ci hanno messo dentro: Keep It Slim, Stupid!
    • lroby scrive:
      Re: peccato la ram
      - Scritto da: attonito
      con linux ricompilato e tirato al chiado ci si
      puo lavorare (c'e' qulla distro che ti da un
      linux base piu' la grafica in soli 10M di ram) ,Ti da fastidio fare anche il nome, parli di DSL o puppy?
      ma appena ci metti su un firefox, ammazzi la ram.Esiste Chrome anche su Linux, ed è molto più leggero di Firefox
      da tutte le schivezze inutili che ci hanno messo dentro:
      Keep It Slim, Stupid!Mah, veramente io mi ricordavo "keep it simple" ..
      • Sgabbio scrive:
        Re: peccato la ram
        dipende dalla ram di sistema.
      • Shiba scrive:
        Re: peccato la ram
        - Scritto da: lroby

        ma appena ci metti su un firefox, ammazzi la
        ram.
        Esiste Chrome anche su Linux, ed è molto più
        leggero di
        FirefoxChrome è il browser più pesante che abbia mai usato, ma per ovvie ragioni. Non credo sia il caso di consigliarlo su hardware simile.
      • Fai il login o Registrati scrive:
        Re: peccato la ram
        - Scritto da: lroby
        Esiste Chrome anche su Linux, ed è molto più
        leggero di FirefoxChrome ciuccia + RAM di Firefox, lo eviterei proprio.
      • attonito scrive:
        Re: peccato la ram


        Keep It Slim, Stupid!
        Mah, veramente io mi ricordavo "keep it simple" ..mia libera reinterpretaziuone per adattare la frase al contesto dell'articolo
      • pippO scrive:
        Re: peccato la ram
        - Scritto da: lroby
        - Scritto da: attonito

        con linux ricompilato e tirato al chiado ci si

        puo lavorare (c'e' qulla distro che ti da un

        linux base piu' la grafica in soli 10M di ram) ,
        Ti da fastidio fare anche il nome, parli di DSL o
        puppy?


        ma appena ci metti su un firefox, ammazzi la
        ram.
        Esiste Chrome anche su Linux, ed è molto più
        leggero di
        FirefoxQuesto è ancora più leggero:http://www.dillo.org/
    • nome e cognome scrive:
      Re: peccato la ram

      Buon inizio, ma la ram va almeno raddoppiata per
      poter essere usabile oppure -finalmente- gli
      applicativi vanno fatti dimagrire da tutte le
      schivezze inutili che ci hanno messo dentro: Keep
      It Slim,
      Stupid!Perché mi dovrei preoccupare? Un giga di ram costa meno di 10 euro, quanto costa ottimizzare il software?
      • pippO scrive:
        Re: peccato la ram
        - Scritto da: nome e cognome

        Buon inizio, ma la ram va almeno raddoppiata per

        poter essere usabile oppure -finalmente- gli

        applicativi vanno fatti dimagrire da tutte le

        schivezze inutili che ci hanno messo dentro:
        Keep

        It Slim,

        Stupid!

        Perché mi dovrei preoccupare? Un giga di ram
        costa meno di 10 euro, quanto costa ottimizzare
        il
        software?prova a rileggerti l'articolo... :D
    • Enzo scrive:
      Re: peccato la ram
      il browser epiphany è molto più leggero di chromium e firefox, è un po più scarno ma ci puoi fare le stesse cose... io propenderei per quest'ultimo, ma ovviamente su un hardware del genere bisognerebbe adattare una versione di linux in tutto e per tutto in modo da sfruttare al massimo le potenzialità di quell' aggeggino :D
  • banca scrive:
    concorrenti
    il prezzo è parecchio basso, sembra quasi abbiano preso un tablet cinese e l'abibano spogliato del superfluo :Di concorrenti più vicini (non come prestazioni) sono pandaboard e beagleboard che però partono da 150$
    • mela marcia doc scrive:
      Re: concorrenti
      - Scritto da: banca
      i concorrenti più vicini (non come prestazioni)
      sono pandaboard e beagleboard che però partono da
      150$Ci aggiungerei anche i vari plug computer (http://www.webargentarius.it/?tag=plug-computers)
      • Sgabbio scrive:
        Re: concorrenti
        quanto costano ?
        • pentolino scrive:
          Re: concorrenti
          beh io nella grande distribuzione ho trovato un seagate freeagent dockstar a 69... inutile dire che l'ho accattato al volo e scarica i torrent delle "iso di distribuzioni linux" 24/7, oltre a tenere su un proxy tor ed un server samba of course...Peccato per i soli 128MB di ram che ne limitano un po' l'uso
        • pentolino scrive:
          Re: concorrenti
          beh io nella grande distribuzione ho trovato un seagate freeagent dockstar a 69... inutile dire che l'ho accattato al volo e scarica i torrent delle "iso di distribuzioni linux" 24/7, oltre a tenere su un proxy tor ed un server samba of course...Peccato per i soli 128MB di ram che ne limitano un po' l'usoedit: scusate il doppio post, la connessione ha fatto le bizze...-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 11 maggio 2011 15.50-----------------------------------------------------------
          • ciccio quanta ciccia scrive:
            Re: concorrenti
            Era meglio se invece delle bizze faceva le pizze..... ho fameeeeeee!!!! :))))
  • max scrive:
    interessante!
    molto interessante, mi piacerebbe metterci su le zampe :DSarebbe utilissimo per controllare il mio impianto di irrigazione e climatizzazione della serra.comunque ai desktop-pc gli rimangono ancora pochi giorni di vita. a breve ogni elettrodomestico avrà il suo micro-computer one-chip con porta usb + wifi integrata e una distribuzione linux di serie.saranno 20 anni molto interesanti i prossimi... sempre che nel frattempo non caschi l' euro, il dollaro e lo yen assieme, in tal caso torneremo al 1800.
    • Sgabbio scrive:
      Re: interessante!
      ho i miei dubbi che il pc desktop sparisca come molto fomentano.
    • Rover scrive:
      Re: interessante!
      Quel che non c'è non si rompe.E qui di superfluo che si può rompere ne vedo a bizzeffe!
    • Nome e cognome scrive:
      Re: interessante!

      a breve ogni elettrodomestico avrà il suo
      micro-computer one-chip con porta usb + wifi
      integrata e una distribuzione linux di
      serie.Gli elettrodomestici moderni sono già dotati di microcontrollers/systems on chip che gestiscono l'elettronica del dispositivo, al costo di pochi euro a dispositivo e talvolta anche meno.Linux NON viene usato in quanto non integra il supporto real-time, e per di più è del tutto sovradimensionato rispetto a SoC che talvolta montano appena 64KB di memoria dati. Solo gli elettrodomestici più complessi iniziano a montare Linux, ad esempio alcuni televisori di fascia alta dove tale scelta si rivela utile.
    • Enzo scrive:
      Re: interessante!
      i pc desktop nn spariscono perchè le cose che puoi fare con essi sono ben oltre ciò che puoi fare con i vari tablet, iphone, ipad, smartphone ecc ecc... cioè con un pc ci puoi anche lavorare; parola che a molti ultimamente sta passando di mente, credendo che l'ipad possa mandare in pensione il desktop :|, ma perfavore!? :D
  • panda rossa scrive:
    Un po' di foto
    Mi permetto di integrare l'articolo con un po' di foto.[img]http://6.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Raspberry-PI-PC.jpg[/img][img]http://tech.jucktion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/david-braben-with-raspberry-pi-usb-computer.png[/img][img]http://www.sott.net/image/image/s3/65915/medium/Raspberry_Pi_PC_Ubuntu.jpg[/img][img]http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/8141/mackbookmini.jpg[/img]
    • bertuccia scrive:
      Re: Un po' di foto
      - Scritto da: panda rossa
      Mi permetto di integrare l'articolo con un po' di
      foto.la rosikata finale mi è piaciuta tantissimo :Duuuuuh come ti da fastidio :D
      • Shiba scrive:
        Re: Un po' di foto
        - Scritto da: bertuccia
        - Scritto da: panda rossa

        Mi permetto di integrare l'articolo con un po'
        di

        foto.

        la rosikata finale mi è piaciuta tantissimo :D
        uuuuuh come ti da fastidio :DNon sapevo costasse 25$.
        • bertuccia scrive:
          Re: Un po' di foto
          - Scritto da: Shiba

          Non sapevo costasse 25$.assistere alle rosikate di panda rossa?quello è gratis! tutti i giorni su PI
          • lol scrive:
            Re: Un po' di foto


            Non sapevo costasse 25$.

            assistere alle rosikate di panda rossa?

            quello è gratis! tutti i giorni su PIdalla foto si vede che gli ha già bucato il portatile.mentre loro caricano foto su FB
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Un po' di foto
            - Scritto da: lol

            dalla foto si vede che gli ha già bucato il
            portatile.
            mentre loro caricano foto su FBdalla foto vedo che quegli utenti mac hanno il dono dell'autoironia, mentre i rosikoni rosikeranno in eterno
          • hermanhesse scrive:
            Re: Un po' di foto
            - Scritto da: bertuccia
            - Scritto da: lol



            dalla foto si vede che gli ha già bucato il

            portatile.

            mentre loro caricano foto su FB

            dalla foto vedo che quegli utenti mac hanno il
            dono dell'autoironia, mentre i rosikoni
            rosikeranno in
            eternodalla realtà vedo che quelli sempre incavolati neri e rosikanti qui sopra sono utenti Mac, che non hanno il dono dell'ironia nemmeno se spieghi loro le battute, che hanno l'insulto facile, che sono "pieni di sè" per dirla in modo gentile, che trasformano ogni notizia, anche questa che non centra nulla con Apple, in una diatriba di quanto siano schiavi del loro padrone e di quanto però siano gli altri a sbagliare, che ne sanno di informatica come la mia segretaria (che almeno è brava in altri compiti), che devono per forza aver ragione sennò battono i piedini per terra (o insultano, l'ho già detto???)......Devo continuare? :D
          • Doh scrive:
            Re: Un po' di foto

            Devo continuare? :DNo, non serve, hai già rotto abbastanza. Get a life.ps da quando i quindicenni hanno la segretaria?
          • bertuccia scrive:
            Re: Un po' di foto
            :-o boring
          • hermanhesse scrive:
            Re: Un po' di foto
            La veritaaaaaaaaati fa maleeeeelo soooooooooooooooooooo
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: Un po' di foto
            Si, continua, mi piace la tua comicità (rotfl)
          • hermanhesse scrive:
            Re: Un po' di foto
            Ah! Dimenticavo quelli che cercano gli Alieni...
          • Federica mi stima scrive:
            Re: Un po' di foto
            - Scritto da: hermanhesse
            - che ne sanno di
            informatica come la mia segretaria (che almeno è
            brava in altri compiti)I soffocotti li sa fare?
    • Sgabbio scrive:
      Re: Un po' di foto
      A parte la solita inutile trollata anti apple, trovo impressionate sto aggeggio, un vero schiaffo ai PC, non c'è che dire, forse il problema è "l'espandibilità" per esempio per mettere tastiera e mouse con tanto di monitor.
      • MacUserFrom 89 scrive:
        Re: Un po' di foto
        - Scritto da: Sgabbio
        A parte la solita inutile trollata anti apple,
        trovo impressionate sto aggeggio, un vero
        schiaffo ai PC, non c'è che dire, forse il
        problema è "l'espandibilità" per esempio per
        mettere tastiera e mouse con tanto di
        monitor.Se ho ben capito all'HDMI si connette qualsiasi monitor compatibile ed alla USB si potrebbe connettere un hub con tastiera, mouse, disco esterno, stampante e chiavette varie. Così appare dalla terza foto di panda rosso. Ovviamente le performance In-Out non saranno eccelse, ma l'oggetto sembra avere prospettive notevoli. Passerà poco che qualcuno piraterà iOS e qualunque altro OS giri su ARM.-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 09 maggio 2011 19.05-----------------------------------------------------------
        • Sgabbio scrive:
          Re: Un po' di foto
          Non vedo che senso ha mettere un sistema per smartphone con limiti imposti più o meno credibili, su un aggeggio simile.Se mai sistemi operativi fatti per pc, mi sembra invece una buona idea, certo, certi software sotto arm non ci sono però (perlo di Opera ad esempio :D).
      • Tasslehoff Burrfoot scrive:
        Re: Un po' di foto
        - Scritto da: Sgabbio
        A parte la solita inutile trollata anti apple,
        trovo impressionate sto aggeggio, un vero
        schiaffo ai PC, non c'è che dire, forse il
        problema è "l'espandibilità" per esempio per
        mettere tastiera e mouse con tanto di
        monitor.Uno schiaffo al PC? Semmai è il contrario, è un pc a tutti gli effetti ridotto alle sue componenti fondamentali.Il fatto che monti cpu ARM, Intel o AMD, che utilizzi un'architettura risc, cisc, x86, arm o altro poco importa, che sia grande o piccolo non importa.E' la flessibilità d'uso che ha permesso al pc di dominare, questo progetto non fa altro che proporre lo stesso in formato ridotto (anche in termini di performance...).Se non ve ne foste accorti a questo "coso" va attaccata una tastiera, un mouse, un display, periferiche di input e output esattamente come sul vecchio desktop 486 DX2-66 dei bei tempi andati.Il suo sucXXXXX andrà di pari passo alla sua flessibilità, esattamente al contrario di tutte quelle chincaglierie modaiole che vivono di appstore e marketplace vari...Ah, e se non ve ne foste mai accorti sono anni che si possono assemblare pc con componentistiche top di gamma in case più facilmente trasportabili di molti laptop... giusto per la cronaca eh... :O
        • Sgabbio scrive:
          Re: Un po' di foto
          - Scritto da: Tasslehoff Burrfoot

          Uno schiaffo al PC? Semmai è il contrario, è un
          pc a tutti gli effetti ridotto alle sue
          componenti
          fondamentali.
          Il fatto che monti cpu ARM, Intel o AMD, che
          utilizzi un'architettura risc, cisc, x86, arm o
          altro poco importa, che sia grande o piccolo non
          importa.Invece è uno schiaffo, se si considerano che un aggeggio cosi piccolo può riuscire a soddisfare le necessità base dell'utenza, dando un ingombro quasi nullo, superando in dimensioni ridotte un mac mini.
          E' la flessibilità d'uso che ha permesso al pc di
          dominare, questo progetto non fa altro che
          proporre lo stesso in formato ridotto (anche in
          termini di
          performance...).Se riprodurre appieno i filmati HD sia poco per le performance...Comunque mi spiace ma il PC è un'altra cosa :D
          Se non ve ne foste accorti a questo "coso" va
          attaccata una tastiera, un mouse, un display,
          periferiche di input e output esattamente come
          sul vecchio desktop 486 DX2-66 dei bei tempi
          andati.Hmmm un conto e attaccare tastiera, mouse e display, un altro è poter personalizzare la configurazione HW del computer... non è un pc.
          Il suo sucXXXXX andrà di pari passo alla sua
          flessibilità, esattamente al contrario di tutte
          quelle chincaglierie modaiole che vivono di
          appstore e marketplace
          vari...Ma se permetti stai paragonando uno smartphone con tale aggeggio, sono due cose diverse.
          Ah, e se non ve ne foste mai accorti sono anni
          che si possono assemblare pc con componentistiche
          top di gamma in case più facilmente trasportabili
          di molti laptop... giusto per la cronaca eh...
          :OA parte i micro tower, qualche esempio ?
      • collione scrive:
        Re: Un po' di foto
        è necessario un hub usb multiporta per connettere le periferiche mentre l'alimentazione viene direttamente dalla porta hdmi e quindi dal monitor
      • Picchiatell o scrive:
        Re: Un po' di foto
        - Scritto da: Sgabbio
        A parte la solita inutile trollata anti apple,
        trovo impressionate sto aggeggio, un vero
        schiaffo ai PC, non c'è che dire, forse il
        problema è "l'espandibilità" per esempio per
        mettere tastiera e mouse con tanto di
        monitor.questo mi fa pensare cosa avrebbero potuto fare i produttori di hardware senza i sistemi windows tra le palle...
    • Francesco_Holy87 scrive:
      Re: Un po' di foto
      Io a questo prezzo, me lo comprerei. Si potrebbe anche usare come lettore mkv per le TV, sempre se ce la fa.
    • cognome scrive:
      Re: Un po' di foto
      Belle foto, tnx.C'erano delle schedine madri con microproXXXXXri annessi che potevano fare di tutto, dalle centraline per auto a PC veri e propri.Sono proprio come quelli nelle foto, ma ho perso i link.Ce ne sono alcuni che occupano poco piu di un orologio e fanno di tutto di piu.Sono tecnologie underground che ancora (non so perchè) non vedono la luce.Eppure in alcuni ambiti sono ad oggi utilizzati.Accidenti a me, non trovo pi i link.
    • acid junkie s scrive:
      Re: Un po' di foto
      Si si a te proprio di Apple frega una cippa, eppure non capisco come tu riesca ad infilare una mela in ogni "spazio vuoto" a tua disposizione.A me sembri ossessionato
    • max scrive:
      Re: Un po' di foto
      - Scritto da: panda rossa
      Mi permetto di integrare l'articolo con un po' di
      foto.

      [img]http://6.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/0

      [img]http://tech.jucktion.com/wp-content/uploads/2

      [img]http://www.sott.net/image/image/s3/65915/medi

      [img]http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/8141/mackbsei compulsivamente ossessionato da apple...fossi in te andrei da uno bravo...
    • non fumo non bevo e non dico parolacce scrive:
      Re: Un po' di foto
      - Scritto da: panda rossa
      Mi permetto di integrare l'articolo con un po' di
      foto.

      [img]http://6.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/0

      [img]http://tech.jucktion.com/wp-content/uploads/2

      [img]http://www.sott.net/image/image/s3/65915/medi

      [img]http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/8141/mackbOTTIMO! Grazie.
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