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E i nostri soldi?
Chi ce li rida'????

Re: E i nostri soldi?
- Scritto da: > Chi ce li rida'????Costituitevi parte civile al processo e chiedete il risarcimento dei danni con tutti gli interessi maturati nel tempo e le spese legali. Penso che basti la denuncia (l'avete fatta vero?) e in ogni caso preparatevi gli estratti conto della carta di credito.PS Parlo da profano non coinvolto e non voglio assolutamente essere polemico (anzi sono solidale con chi e' rimasto truffato): ma nel momento in cui non arrivava la merce non potevate contestare alla societa' emittente della carta o alla banca l'addebito e di conseguenza bloccarlo? La sicurezza della carta di credito e' proprio questa...

Re: E i nostri soldi?
Quì purtroppo ci sono tanti inutili filosofi del sapere...Io sono tra quelli che sono stato truffato, e i soldi si riesce ad averli indietro se avete pagato con carta di credito o con postepayhttp://s14.invisionfree.com/No_Adb/index.php?showforum=1Per quanto riguarda la truffa è stata ben congeniata:per un bel po' di tempo hanno venuduto a prezzi bassi, prezzi sotto-costo.Su www.trovaprezzi.it e su www.kelkoo.it c'era il loro logo e i loro prezzi.Su kelkoo.it c'erano anche commenti di persone che si erano trovari bene, molto bene.E' ovvio che uno si fida.Era da parecchio che vendevano on -linePoi, da un giorno all'altro nada.Spariscono nel nulla!!!!!Tanto che alcuni sono andati da Bartolini della loro città (Pescara) a chiedere info.E hanno confermato: fino ad allora 100, 200 pacchi al giorno.Poi, da un giorno all'altro, niente più. Neppure uno.Nel frattempo, però, accettavano soldi e ordini.Per un bel mese sono andati avanti così.Sono cominciati a spuntare commenti negativi su kelkoo, forum di discussione.Dopo 30 giorni circa, si è sparsa la voce che ADB (ovvero Antonio Di Brigida) è sparito!!!!!Ha truffato noi e fornitori...

Re: E i nostri soldi?
- Scritto da: > Per quanto riguarda la truffa è stata ben> congeniata:> per un bel po' di tempo hanno venuduto a prezzi> bassi, prezzi> sotto-costo.Ecco, appunto. Quando capirete che NON è possibile vendere sottocosto per dei mesi (i sottocosto dei normali ipermercati sono fatti su quantità limitate e prodotti a stock), vi renderete conto che chi opera come faceva ADB o è scemo perché intende fallire a breve, o è "furbo" e intende fregare la massa di polli dopo averli adescati con i prezzacci...

Re: E i nostri soldi?
- Scritto da: > Chi ce li rida'????Il tuo sembra un tono più polemico che da arrabbiato:1 - Se è perchè hanno arrestato i truffatori e non hai ancora i tuoi soldi, beh, ringrazia Dio che intanto li abbiano arrestati!2 - Se è perchè non hai ancora i soldi e li aspetti da tanto, ringrazia il fatto che forse in processo potrai chiedere i danni!Certo è che se gli immobili erano di proprietà forse qualche speranza di rivedere i soldi li avrete.

Re: E i nostri soldi?
avete contribuito al prosperare di un'oganizzazione criminale, avete finanziato i narcotrafficanti, avete danneggiato gli operatori commerciali onesti, avete messo in crisi il negoziante vicino casa vostra, quello sempre disponibile a darvi consigli tecnici (anche gratis), quello che trovate a smanettare nel suo laboratorio anche di sabato, quello che vi prova la CPU che non sapete se funziona o no, quello che vi cambia la scheda video PCI-e acquistata per errore con quella AGP.E piangete pure i vostri soldi????????????????

Re: E i nostri soldi?
cioè siamo alla follia...qua c'è gente che accusa un truffato di aver rovinato l'economia informatica nazionale...-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 06 maggio 2006 14.21-----------------------------------------------------------

Re: E i nostri soldi?
> Chi ce li rida'????Sei fra quelli che s'è fato fregare?

Re: E i nostri soldi?
- Scritto da: > Chi ce li rida'????Era meglio accendere il cervello, e spenderli con più cautela.Le truffe sarebbero MOLTE di meno, se non ci fossero i "furbi"......

Re: E i nostri soldi?
- Scritto da: > Chi ce li rida'????sinceramente spero nessuno visto che affidarsi a siti per lo meno sospetti non è da furbispero vi serva da lezione

Re: E i nostri soldi?
ma dai guardate office 2003 nel negozio virtuale e fatevi una ricerca su google : non gli somiglia penniente ! @^

Re: E i nostri soldi?
Vorrei far sapere ai geni che stanno spalando merda sui truffati(io sono uno di quelli e ne cosnosco molti altri) che il sito veniva fuori facendo una ricerca su KELKOO che se non lo sapete è di yahoo.e lo davano come sito affidabile.io compro online da anni e anche sui forum e non ho mai preso una fregatura...tranne questa.questo sito miei cari geni per qualche mese ha spedito merce al prezzo(ottimo ma non da "regalo")che indicavano sul sito...e su ciao c'erano recensioni di utenti che si ritenevano soddisfatti.quindi cambiate toni perche quello che avete cioè da saccentoni "io capisco tutto" non vi fa fare una bella figura.potrebbe capitare anche a voi.ps:i soldi cmq 70 euro, me li ha ridati banca sella che era convenzionata con il negozio e si è sentita in dovere di risarcire i clienti per non aver controllato meglio l'esercente...come vedete anche una banca si è fatta abbindolare sono utonti anche loro?

Re: E i nostri soldi?
che stecca :DInvece di fare il polemico, va a fare denuncia, e magari la prossima volta compra in un posto sicuro :D

Re: Una megatruffa quella di A.D.B. CENT
ATTENZIONE GENTE!!! nei prodotti tecnologici ormai i ricarichi vanno dal 5 al 10%...nella mia citta' ormai chi vuole vendere vende solo SOTTOCOSTO. Non fatevi abbindolare da sconti pazzeschi...

Re: Una megatruffa quella di A.D.B. CENT
Se vendi sottocosto allora devi avere un modo per non fallire.. Il nome è truffa ai danni dello stato, evadendo Iva o altro. Vendere Hw purtroppo è diventato un accessorio... di cosa devo ancora capirlo.

Re: Una megatruffa quella di A.D.B. CENT
dell'assistenza purtroppo. Vendere hw ha un margine ridicolo, oramai si fa pagare l'assistenza

Re: Una megatruffa quella di A.D.B. CENT
Questa si che è una notizia!Questi si che sono i criminali! Da mettere in galera sul serio..altro che musichette scaricate dal pc, P2P , divx o altro! Complimenti a P.I. !!!!...di cuore (atari)(atari)(atari)(atari)(atari) :) :) :) :)

Chi se l'è cercata...
A differenza di quanto si dice nell'articolo, i prezzi praticati erano assolutamente fuori mercato, in quanto veniva venduta merce al pubblico a prezzi inferiori a quelli all'ingrosso. Pertanto era lecito sospettare fin dal primo momento. Ma l'ingordigia e l'ottusita' di chi cerca sempre e solo il risparmio ad ogni costo ha avuto quello che si meritava. Quando la gente imparerà che nessuno lavora gratis e nessuno regala niente, forse queste truffe finiranno. Fino ad allora, le Wanna Marchi & C. continueranno a prosperare alle spalle dei gonzi di turno.

Re: Chi se l'è cercata...
- Scritto da: > A differenza di quanto si dice nell'articolo, i> prezzi praticati erano assolutamente fuori> mercato, in quanto veniva venduta merce al> pubblico a prezzi inferiori a quelli> all'ingrosso. Pertanto era lecito sospettare fin> dal primo momento. Ma l'ingordigia e l'ottusita'> di chi cerca sempre e solo il risparmio ad ogni> costo ha avuto quello che si meritava.In parte hai ragione, ma in parte no...Su eBay, ad esempio, prosperano diversi negozi che vendono computer e componenti a prezzi finali inferiori a quelli all'ingrosso...Ma la merce arriva, e funzionante.Causalmente ciò che manca è lo scontrino, che promettono ma non danno mai.Per alcuni di questi venditori, con 20.000 feedback positivi quindi ampiamente visibili anche dalla GdF se volesse controllare, la serietà con il cliente c'è... Immagino che il loro ritorno sia sull'evasione totale delle tasse, e sullo scarso supporto post vendita.Saluti.

Re: Chi se l'è cercata...
- Scritto da: m.aicardi> Causalmente ciò che manca è lo scontrino, che> promettono ma non danno> mai.Appunto, se il prezzo è troppo basso, c'è _sicuramente_ qualcosa di losco sotto. Ma il tipico italiota convinto di essere più furbo corre a dare soldi a individui che operano in situazioni di illegalità diffusa, per poi correre a fare il piagnisteo e a reclamare indietro i soldi quando si accorge di essere stato _giustamente_ fregato.

Re: Chi se l'è cercata...
- Scritto da: > > - Scritto da: m.aicardi> > > Causalmente ciò che manca è lo scontrino, che> > promettono ma non danno> > mai.> > Appunto, se il prezzo è troppo basso, c'è> _sicuramente_ qualcosa di losco sotto. Ma il> tipico italiota convinto di essere più furbo> corre a dare soldi a individui che operano in> situazioni di illegalità diffusa, per poi correre> a fare il piagnisteo e a reclamare indietro i> soldi quando si accorge di essere stato> _giustamente_> fregato.Senza offese per nessuno...ma solo un pirlotto compera su Internet del materiale informatico (o qualunque altra cosa...). Io se non vedo e tocco prima...un cents non lo sgancio mi spiace!Ci sono persone su svariati forum del settore..che fanno preventivi per l'acquisto online...e sono contenti, non sanno però che se hai un problema con un pezzo HW...te la vedi letteralmente turca :D: ci devi mettere i soldi tu, aspettare minimo 10 gg (se ti va bene) e tante altri fattori..che dovrebbero poi spingerti a dire: ma chi me lo ha fatto fare?? ;) Saranno pure seri quelli su ebay (ci ho dato un occhio e ammetto che la tentazione era quasi sopravvenuta...) ma ripensandoci mi son detto meglio prendere le cose un pò più care..ma almeno ho il negozio (sempre che non chiuda..), ho lo scontrino e in caso di necessità so dove andare a reclamare e a sbattere per la garanzia ;)

Re: Chi se l'è cercata...
- Scritto da: m.aicardi> > - Scritto da: > > A differenza di quanto si dice nell'articolo, i> > prezzi praticati erano assolutamente fuori> > mercato, in quanto veniva venduta merce al> > pubblico a prezzi inferiori a quelli> > all'ingrosso. Pertanto era lecito sospettare fin> > dal primo momento. Ma l'ingordigia e l'ottusita'> > di chi cerca sempre e solo il risparmio ad ogni> > costo ha avuto quello che si meritava.> > In parte hai ragione, ma in parte no...> > Su eBay, ad esempio, prosperano diversi negozi> che vendono computer e componenti a prezzi finali> inferiori a quelli> all'ingrosso...> > Ma la merce arriva, e funzionante.> > Causalmente ciò che manca è lo scontrino, che> promettono ma non danno> mai.> > Per alcuni di questi venditori, con 20.000> feedback positivi quindi ampiamente visibili> anche dalla GdF se volesse controllare, la> serietà con il cliente c'è... Immagino che il> loro ritorno sia sull'evasione totale delle> tasse, e sullo scarso supporto post> vendita.> > Saluti.sì ma non risulterà mai il prezzo inferiore a quello del prodotto all'ingrosso.. se la intel vende un lotto di 1000 processori a 200 euro l'uno, qualsiasi persona che te ne vuol vendere uno uguale a meno dovrebbe renderti sospetto.

Re: Chi se l'è cercata...
- Scritto da: avvelenato> sì ma non risulterà mai il prezzo inferiore a> quello del prodotto all'ingrosso.. se la intel> vende un lotto di 1000 processori a 200 euro> l'uno, qualsiasi persona che te ne vuol vendere> uno uguale a meno dovrebbe renderti> sospetto.So quel che dico: ho un paio di amici rivenditori cui ho sottoposto i prezzi di alcuni articoli eBay: mi hanno confermato che loro li pagano di più dal grossista.E quei venditori eBay, come dicevo, sono anche piuttosto "seri"!Ciò non toglie che sicuramente truffano lo Stato.Ciao.

Re: Chi se l'è cercata...
- Scritto da: m.aicardi> > - Scritto da: > > A differenza di quanto si dice nell'articolo, i> > prezzi praticati erano assolutamente fuori> > mercato, in quanto veniva venduta merce al> > pubblico a prezzi inferiori a quelli> > all'ingrosso. Pertanto era lecito sospettare fin> > dal primo momento. Ma l'ingordigia e l'ottusita'> > di chi cerca sempre e solo il risparmio ad ogni> > costo ha avuto quello che si meritava.> > In parte hai ragione, ma in parte no...Ha PERFETTAMENTE RAGIONE.Solo i gonzi credono alle "occasioni".> > Su eBay, ad esempio, prosperano diversi negozi> che vendono computer e componenti a prezzi finali> inferiori a quelli> all'ingrosso...Estremamente falso.Sono un abituè di Ebay e i prezzi SONO SEMPRE uguali o addirittura più alti del materiale che si trova in commercio.Solo acquistando all' estero, e per determinati prodotti, si otttiene qualche sconto.Basta guardare ai prezzi di schede madri e Cpu per accorgersene.> > Ma la merce arriva, e funzionante.Spesso, con problemi.Basta dare un' occhiata ai forum di Ebay per leggerne di tutte.> > Causalmente ciò che manca è lo scontrino, che> promettono ma non danno> mai.Per cui, vendita in nero....> > Per alcuni di questi venditori, con 20.000> feedback positivi quindi ampiamente visibili> anche dalla GdF se volesse controllare, la> serietà con il cliente c'è... Immagino che il> loro ritorno sia sull'evasione totale delle> tasse, e sullo scarso supporto post> vendita.> > Saluti.Informati meglio.Ciao :)

Re: Chi se l'è cercata...
- Scritto da: > > Estremamente falso.> Sono un abituè di Ebay e i prezzi SONO SEMPRE> uguali o addirittura più alti del materiale che> si trova in> commercio.Ma cosa compri? Bambole gonfiabili da collezione? USATA DA JOHN HOLMES nel suo ultimo film, solo 10.000. > Spesso, con problemi.> Basta dare un' occhiata ai forum di Ebay per> leggerne di> tutte.I feedback esistono apposta. Se uno ha il 99% di feedback positivi...> > Per cui, vendita in nero...Appunto. C'è una giustificazione al prezzo più basso. Evasione != truffa. Sforzati, non è difficile da capire.

Re: Chi se l'è cercata...
- Scritto da: m.aicardi> > > Su eBay, ad esempio, prosperano diversi negozi> che vendono computer e componenti a prezzi finali> inferiori a quelli> all'ingrosso...Ma ti sei mai chiesto la provenienza del materiale?Se per esempio il camion che la trasportava non abbia preso una buca....e il materiale non sia scivolato fuori?> > Ma la merce arriva, e funzionante.Si...al massimo e' ammaccata la scatola!! :D

Re: Non è esatto
Ciò che dici è scorretto, alcune truffe avvengono con importi di valore prossimi a quelli di mercato, un esempio per tutti? I prodotti fotografici; negli Stati Uniti questi vengono venduti a prezzi che in Italia sono impossibile immaginare, ora supponi che un negozio italiano metta in vendita prodotti con valori di poco superiori ai corrispettivi statunitensi ma ancora molto inferiori ai prezzi imposti in Italia da importatori monopolisti, è facile che credendo nei vantaggi dell'importazione parallela sarebbe facile cadere in una bella truffa.p.s.Molti negozianti italiani onesti vendono così e le mie attrezzature fotografiche vengono da negozi di questo tipo(importatori senza magazzino ma solo con uffici), fortunatamente per me, proprio uno di questi negozi è sito a pochi chilometri da casa mia e per le mie attrezzature risparmi mediamente il 40%.

Re: Non è esatto
Non è solo il problema di "importatori monopolisti": per le importazioni ci sono le tasse di importazione e l'IVA che fanno salire il prezzo di un 30-40%. Non vorrei che certi "importatori" evadessero tasse di importazione e IVA - poi sì che puoi fare il prezzo inferiore...

Re: Chi se l'è cercata...
non mi sembra molto coerente:dobbiamo informarci sui prezzi all'ingrosso per capire che potrebbe essere una truffa?ti possso poi garantire che ci sono siti che vendono sotto il prezzo all'ingrosso legalmentesu certi prodotti....servirebbe invece un sistema di garanzia dei sitiuna specie di bollino o altro che certifichi la serieta dell'azienda (tipo normativa iso o albo)infine mi piacerebbe sapere se hanno truffato anche tramite carte di credito....in tal caso e' rimborsabile

Re: Chi se l'è cercata...
- Scritto da: > A differenza di quanto si dice nell'articolo, i> prezzi praticati erano assolutamente fuori> mercato, in quanto veniva venduta merce al> pubblico a prezzi inferiori a quelli> all'ingrosso. Pertanto era lecito sospettare fin> dal primo momento. Ma l'ingordigia e l'ottusita'> di chi cerca sempre e solo il risparmio ad ogni> costo ha avuto quello che si meritava.> > Quando la gente imparerà che nessuno lavora> gratis e nessuno regala niente, forse queste> truffe finiranno. Fino ad allora, le Wanna Marchi> & C. continueranno a prosperare alle spalle dei> gonzi di> turno.Che commento idiota. Che devo fare, non entrare più in un supermercato che annuncia vendite sottocosto?

Ecco chi e' il colpevole
Al solito il vero colpevole e' l'utente ingenuo, molto ingenuo.

Re: Ecco chi e' il colpevole
- Scritto da: > Al solito il vero colpevole e' l'utente ingenuo,> molto> ingenuo.Ingenuo ??L' utente è ingenuo se si fida del mercato e viene fregato.Ma uno che cerca l' "occasione" unica perchè lui è "furbo" non è ingenuo. E' fesso.

Re: Ecco chi e' il colpevole
Non vedo cosa ci sia di fesso a tentare di risparmiare.Io conosco gente che comprando in internet ha risparmiato parecchi soldi.Non era illegale-Gli sconti non erano eccessivi... da insospettire-Il sito sembrava essere onesto-quindi...Una truffa è una truffa e stop.Tu paghi le tasse? Bhe, i tuoi soldi li usano per controllarti - per costruire autostrade che poi regaleranno a qualche ricco che se le rivenderà - per costruire edifici facendoli risultare più costosi di quello che costano realmente, per NIENTE (es: guarda striscia la notizia) - per pagare politici che invece di lavorare litigano in televisione per sembrare uno più bravo dell'altro - ecc ecc eccSei un fesso? Ti consideri tale?

Re: Ecco chi e' il colpevole
- Scritto da: > Non vedo cosa ci sia di fesso a tentare di> risparmiare.> Io conosco gente che comprando in internet ha> risparmiato parecchi> soldi.> Non era illegale-Gli sconti non erano> eccessivi... da insospettire-Il sito sembrava> essere> onesto-> quindi...> > Una truffa è una truffa e stop.> > Tu paghi le tasse? > Bhe, i tuoi soldi li usano per controllarti - per> costruire autostrade che poi regaleranno a> qualche ricco che se le rivenderà - per costruire> edifici facendoli risultare più costosi di quello> che costano realmente, per NIENTE (es: guarda> striscia la notizia) - per pagare politici che> invece di lavorare litigano in televisione per> sembrare uno più bravo dell'altro - ecc ecc> ecc> > Sei un fesso? Ti consideri tale?In cambio delle tasse, caro il mio poveretto, ti danno ben di più: ospedali, scuola, convivenza civile, strade statali ( non le autostrade, che sono diverse come gestione ).Tra le altre cose NON SONO LIBERO di scegliere se pagarle o no: è un dovere sociale.Per cui, quando fai paragoni, accendi il cervello.CHIARO ??

Re: Ecco chi e' il colpevole
- Scritto da: > Al solito il vero colpevole e' l'utente ingenuo,> molto> ingenuo.l'ignoranza non è ammessa per legge e secondo me chi si affida a certi negozi che spuntano da un giorno all'altro è un gran fesso

Re: Ecco chi e' il colpevole
informati prima di parlare...questo sito pe rmesi è stato affidabile...FUNZIONAVA lo volete capire?i truffati, quelli piu esperti, si informavano sui forum e sui siti di recensioni degli utenti come ciao o kelkoo e la gente era soddisfatta...poi di botto piu nulla.ma quanto vi sentite intelligenti????

EBAY se ne frega, ma prima o poi...
E-bay per ora se ne frega che queste cose avvengano frequentemente sul loro sistema, anche perchè ci guadagna parecchio...Ma prima o poi rischiano di pagarne le conseguenze, la gente inizia a fidarsi sempre meno.Poi gli annunci dei "supersellers" (che vendono materiale nuovo a prezzi ridicoli) ormai superano di gran lunga quelli degli utenti normali che vendono articoli usati...Queste due cose insieme per me compromettono il sistema per come era visto all'inizio. ma si sa, è solo business... p)ciao-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 05 maggio 2006 12.20-----------------------------------------------------------

Re: EBAY se ne frega, ma prima o poi...
Perche'? Hai avuto fregature dai "supersellers"?

Re: EBAY se ne frega, ma prima o poi...
- Scritto da: > Perche'? Hai avuto fregature dai "supersellers"?(linux)

Re: EBAY se ne frega, ma prima o poi...
- Scritto da: > > - Scritto da: > > Perche'? Hai avuto fregature dai "supersellers"?> > (linux)volevo dire, che ci ho comprato linux....(troll3)

Re: EBAY se ne frega, ma prima o poi...
- Scritto da: > Perche'? Hai avuto fregature dai "supersellers"?Io si.Ho comprato una SD card da 1 Gb che doveva essere una ultrafast 60x e mi hanno rifilato una 16x ...Una delle tante fregature che girano, a quanto pare.

Re: EBAY se ne frega, ma prima o poi...
- Scritto da: > > - Scritto da: > > Perche'? Hai avuto fregature dai "supersellers"?> > Io si.> > Ho comprato una SD card da 1 Gb che doveva essere> una ultrafast 60x e mi hanno rifilato una 16x> ...> > Una delle tante fregature che girano, a quanto> pare.sicuro di aver letto bene? E-bay è una società molto attenta e cauta per quanto riguarda inserzioni "improbabili" e nel caso di truffa se il pagamento è avvunuto con Paypal rimborsa anche... prova a vederti la normativa sul sito...

Detesto
Come detesto i ganzi pseudomoralisti sbavasentenze del giorno dopoIn ogni caso per chi non si fosse fatto spaventare da queste disavventure ho le seguenti occasioni:Fantastica Radeon 9205 bilama 50 Fotocopie originali manuale photoshop 50 AutoCad originale con impianto a gas 50 Microsoft Windows XP tolto da listino perchè anche noi in fondo abbiamo un cuore e certi prodotti truffa ci fanno stare male, ma per quel fanatico che insistesse 110 Super Affare Prorogato a Grande Richiesta ROLEX original oro platino e diamanti 50 Multiproprietà, balconatissimo superattico vista mare openspace soppalcabile con mirabile stuolo di portinai 8mq a due passi dalla città, loc. Sollicciano 50 Per informazioni e acquisti telefonare ora aria.

Re: Detesto
Io voglio il superattico rolex tempestato di diamanti con vista windows xpnce lhai ancora?

Re: Detesto
- Scritto da: Ubu re> Come detesto i ganzi pseudomoralisti> sbavasentenze del giorno> dopo> > In ogni caso per chi non si fosse fatto> spaventare da queste disavventure ho le seguenti> occasioni:> Fantastica Radeon 9205 bilama 50 > Fotocopie originali manuale photoshop 50 > AutoCad originale con impianto a gas 50 > Microsoft Windows XP tolto da listino perchè> anche noi in fondo abbiamo un cuore e certi> prodotti truffa ci fanno stare male, ma per quel> fanatico che insistesse 110> > > Super Affare Prorogato a Grande Richiesta ROLEX> original oro platino e diamanti 50> > > Multiproprietà, balconatissimo superattico vista> mare openspace soppalcabile con mirabile stuolo> di portinai 8mq a due passi dalla città, loc.> Sollicciano 50> > > Per informazioni e acquisti telefonare ora aria.Ca**o, abbiamo un comico. (troll)

IL SITO E' ANCORA ATTIVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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