MAFIAA Fire, Mozilla sugli scudi antisequestro

La fondazione californiana non intende rimuovere l'estensione di Firefox per aggirare i sigilli antipirateria apposti dal governo. Che dovrebbe emettere una specifica ordinanza firmata da un giudice prima di fare richieste del genere

Roma – È finita inevitabilmente al centro del mirino, scatenando le più puntuali reazioni da parte della squadra legale di Mozilla Foundation. Perché MAFIAA Fire – estensione del browser Firefox che permette ai suoi utenti di aggirare i sigilli antipirateria apposti dal governo statunitense su determinati spazi online – non è affatto piaciuta agli alti vertici dello U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Harvey Anderson, general counsel della fondazione di Mountain View, ha subito risposto a tono , in seguito alle pressanti richieste di rimozione da parte del Dipartimento a stelle e strisce. I vertici della US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) si erano infatti lamentati dell’ add-on , che serve in sostanza a reindirizzare in automatico gli utenti verso il nuovo dominio adottato da siti come Rojadirecta e Torrent-Finder .

I legali di Mozilla hanno dunque opposto resistenza , sottolineando come le autorità statunitensi non abbiano emesso alcuna ordinanza firmata da un giudice , almeno non per ottenere la rimozione della specifica estensione di Firefox. La fondazione statunitense ha posto ai vertici del DHS tre semplici quanto cruciali interrogativi.

Il primo : forse MAFIAA Fire è stata dichiarata illegale da un giudice competente? E, in caso di risposta affermativa, su quali basi? Il secondo: Mozilla è forse obbligata legalmente a rimuovere l’add-on o ci sono altri motivi alla base delle richieste del governo? La Sicurezza Nazionale statunitense è stata invitata a specificare queste eventuali “altre motivazioni”.

Infine , la fondazione californiana ha invitato il Dipartimento a fornire una copia dello specifico ordine di rimozione, che porterebbe Firefox a disabilitare un’estensione che ha raggiunto in poche settimane i 6mila download . Alle domande di Mozilla ha fatto seguito il silenzio più assoluto da parte del governo statunitense.

Anderson ha dunque sottolineato come sia fondamentale capire a quali condizioni un attore come Mozilla debba seguire una richiesta del genere, in particolare quando quest’ultima porti con sé degli effetti censori e lesivi della natura aperta di Internet . Alla base del malcontento – sempre secondo il general counsel – ci sarebbero semplicemente gli interessi dei detentori dei diritti, nell’eterna lotta alla pirateria online.

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    Info
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    hermanesse
    So che ti piacerebbe tanto, ma mi sa che ci vorrà così tanto tempo che nessuno di noi lo vedrà.
  • Lorenzo scrive:
    Ma ... installarci XP ?
    Non e' piu' semplice installare XP con una licenza di 7 ?
  • lroby scrive:
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  • lroby scrive:
    dico la mia
    Ma se le aziende nel 2011 hanno hardware vetusto (quindi immagino i soliti pc P4 con 512mb di ram), avranno per forza di cose ANCHE il s.o. Windows XP originale allegato e staranno usando quello (che per 512mb di ram può andare anche bene nell'uso ufficio).Che caxxo di senso avrebbe spendere dei soldi SOLO per passare ad una versione light di un s.o. successivo che magari NON è compatibile con i loro software, stesso discorso anche se avessero già 1 gb di ram a bordo, con XP rimangono comunque molto più leggeri.E poi quando devono cambiare, fanno più in fretta a comprare direttamente pc nuovi con Windows 7 già a bordo e dopo essersi assicurati che TUTTI i loro software siano compatibili o abbiano le release aggiornate compatibili con Windows 7, magari anche a 64bit, visto che sui pc nuovi ormai si trovano 4gb di ram come niente e 64bit come s.o. di serie.Questo s.o. Microsoft potevi anche risparmiartelo, piuttosto metti FLP di dominio pubblico tanto ormai non te lo compra più nessuno! (senza contare che ne potevi solamente comprare in lotti di 1000 licenze alla volta e serviva per aggiornare i vecchi win9x ad un s.o. 32bit per questioni di sicurezza e affidabilità)
    • bollito scrive:
      Re: dico la mia
      Microsoft sono anni che fa cose senza senso.Ringraziando il cielo per loro gli OEM ancora gli vanno dietro.altrimenti sarebbe sparita da un pezzo.
      • ruppolo scrive:
        Re: dico la mia
        - Scritto da: bollito
        Microsoft sono anni che fa cose senza senso.
        Ringraziando il cielo per loro gli OEM ancora gli
        vanno
        dietro.
        altrimenti sarebbe sparita da un pezzo.Il cielo non c'entra, è il ricatto il motivo per cui gli OEM gli vanno dietro.
        • enzo scrive:
          Re: dico la mia
          - Scritto da: ruppolo
          - Scritto da: bollito

          Microsoft sono anni che fa cose senza senso.

          Ringraziando il cielo per loro gli OEM ancora
          gli

          vanno

          dietro.

          altrimenti sarebbe sparita da un pezzo.

          Il cielo non c'entra, è il ricatto il motivo per
          cui gli OEM gli vanno
          dietro.Cioè? spiegamo questo ricatto. Io Hp prendo il tuo os Windows come oem altrimenti tu mi fai chiudere? Oppure, tu Ms dammi il tuo os che Mac Osx non lo posso installare e Linux la gente non sa manco cos'è?
          • Christian scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            Ti consento di fornire Windows preinstallato solo se preinstallerai solo Windows.
    • Cobra Reale scrive:
      Re: dico la mia
      - Scritto da: lroby
      Ma se le aziende nel 2011 hanno hardware vetusto
      (quindi immagino i soliti pc P4 con 512mb di
      ram), avranno per forza di cose ANCHE il s.o.
      Windows XP originale allegato e staranno usando
      quello (che per 512mb di ram può andare anche
      bene nell'uso
      ufficio).
      Che caxxo di senso avrebbe spendere dei soldi
      SOLO per passare ad una versione light di un s.o.
      successivo che magari NON è compatibile con i
      loro software, stesso discorso anche se avessero
      già 1 gb di ram a bordo, con XP rimangono
      comunque molto più
      leggeri.
      E poi quando devono cambiare, fanno più in fretta
      a comprare direttamente pc nuovi con Windows 7
      già a bordo e dopo essersi assicurati che TUTTI i
      loro software siano compatibili o abbiano le
      release aggiornate compatibili con Windows 7,
      magari anche a 64bit, visto che sui pc nuovi
      ormai si trovano 4gb di ram come niente e 64bit
      come s.o. di
      serie.
      Questo s.o. Microsoft potevi anche
      risparmiartelo, piuttosto metti FLP di dominio
      pubblico tanto ormai non te lo compra più
      nessuno! (senza contare che ne potevi solamente
      comprare in lotti di 1000 licenze alla volta e
      serviva per aggiornare i vecchi win9x ad un s.o.
      32bit per questioni di sicurezza e
      affidabilità)Credo che se l'avessero messo in vendita a condizioni migliori (soprattutto senza l'obbligo di comprarlo in lotti) avrebbe riscosso un sucXXXXXne.
      • lroby scrive:
        Re: dico la mia
        - Scritto da: Cobra Reale
        Credo che se l'avessero messo in vendita a
        condizioni migliori (soprattutto senza l'obbligo
        di comprarlo in lotti) avrebbe riscosso un
        sucXXXXXne.già, questo si che è un s.o. (FLP) da far risvegliare i (pc) morti
    • Gurzo2007 scrive:
      Re: dico la mia
      in ufficio uso win7 enterprice abbinato a un p4 2,8ghz, 2gb ram( per via dei programmi a corredo preinstallati, che servono per lavorare), 40gb di hd criptato, e skvideo integrata...nella quasi totalità delle operazioni è una spanna sopra a xp, almeno per la mia esperienza
      • lroby scrive:
        Re: dico la mia
        - Scritto da: Gurzo2007
        in ufficio uso win7 enterprice abbinato a un p4
        2,8ghz, 2gb ramMa 2gb non è proprio la stessa cosa di 512mb..
        • Gurzo2007 scrive:
          Re: dico la mia
          all'avvio prende sui 500mb( ma carica un fottio di sw aziendale, ma non sono mai riuscito a fagli superare gli 800mb di ram accupata) una macchina simile ma con xp sta sui 3-400mb( stessi sw), ma dopo un pò di ore di lavoro è un chiodo mentre quella con win7 risulta sempre reattivo...ovvio che se hai 500mb di ram puoi ripiegare su un xp snellito, magari settato per la sicurezza, ma xp rimarrà sempre un chiodo nella gestione ram purtroppo
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: Gurzo2007
            ovvio che se hai 500mb di ram puoi ripiegare su
            un xp snellito, magari settato per la sicurezza,
            ma xp rimarrà sempre un chiodo nella gestione ram
            purtropponon è che puoi, DEVI ripiegare su XP.
          • Gurzo2007 scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            mah non saprei, xp anche snellito userà sempre alla pene di seguggio la ram e andrà di swap come un dannato
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: Gurzo2007
            mah non saprei, xp anche snellito userà sempre
            alla pene di seguggio la ram e andrà di swap come
            un
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          • Joe Tornado scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            Io, da anni, posiziono il file di swap su partizioni diverse da quelle del sistema ... attualmente questa partizione è all'inizio di un array Raid-0, di due dischi molto veloci. Inoltre, il sistema la utilizza molto poco (uso un porogrammino per controllarne lo sfruttamento), però, non c'è niente da fare ... bastano due compressioni simultanee con 7-Zip per ridarle vita !
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: Joe Tornado
            Io, da anni, posiziono il file di swap su
            partizioni diverse da quelle del sistema ...
            attualmente questa partizione è all'inizio di un
            array Raid-0, di due dischi molto veloci.
            Inoltre, il sistema la utilizza molto poco (uso
            un porogrammino per controllarne lo
            sfruttamento), però, non c'è niente da fare ...
            bastano due compressioni simultanee con 7-Zip per
            ridarle vita
            !Prova a fare quelle 2 compressioni simultanee con 3gb di ram fisica installata a bordo... e file swap disattivato.. e vedi come le fai a occhi chiusi :DLa tecnologia del file di swap è nata un sacco di anni fa quando le memorie erano delle cose ultracostosissime (si parla di grossi calcolatori e mainframe, non dei pc di oggi) e l'unico modo per non avere eccessivi limiti di memoria era quella di aiutare quella principale (poca e limitata dai prezzi elevatissimi) con della memoria più economica ma decisamente più lenta.da Windows xp in poi (diciamo da 10 anni quindi), a patto di avere "a lot of" ram, è una cosa superflua e obbligatoria solo nei casi particolari (es. Photoshop vecchi non partivano senza swap file e nemmeno TDU 1)
          • Joe Tornado scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            Fatti una risata ... i 3,2 GBytes di Ram ci sono ... ma 768 MBytes sono dedicati ad un Ramdisk ! Ormai sono così abituato ad usarlo, che non potrei farne a meno. Comunque, anche con quel file di swap, il mio Windows XP vola ... oltre ad essere discretamente "ottimizzato" è installato (in modo intelligente) su un SSD !
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: Joe Tornado
            Fatti una risata ... i 3,2 GBytes di Ram ci sono
            ... ma 768 MBytes sono dedicati ad un Ramdisk !
            Ormai sono così abituato ad usarlo, che non
            potrei farne a meno. Comunque, anche con quel
            file di swap, il mio Windows XP vola ... oltre ad
            essere discretamente "ottimizzato" è installato
            (in modo intelligente) su un SSD
            !Scusa hai 3.2GB di ram fisica e nonostante quello, tieni il file di swap attivo!??! mai provato senza? :D
          • Joe Tornado scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            I GBytes sarebbero 4, ma, come ben sai, Windows XP ne vede fino a 3,2. Ai quali devi sottrarre i 768 MBytes del Ramdisk. Tra i files in avvio automatico, ci sono alcuni programmini leggeri e le solite cose Microsoft ... Microsoft Security Essentials è quello che prende più memoria di tutti, circa 70 MBytes. Seguono Opera, quasi sempre avviato, che arriva come niente a 100 MBytes, e ProgDVB, anch'esso molto usato, altri 100 MBytes. Diciamo che siamo sui 1700-1800 MBytes liberi. Anche se uso diversi programmi pesanti, solo 7-Zip riesce a succhiarsela tutta, e ogni tanto succede. Il file di swap è pochissimo usato, siamo sui 40 MBytes all'avvio, per arrivare intorno ai 100. Il massimo sarà stato 400 MBytes, ma dopo aver avviato quattro istanze di 7-Zip contemporaneamente ! Considerando la posizione del file, non si percepisce alcun rallentamento nell'uso della macchina. La partizione che lo ospita è fisicamente all'inizio dei drive in Raid-0 (2 Seagate Constellation), ed è formattata in Fat 16 con cluster a 64K :) Secondo Atto Disk Benchmark, è la soluzione migliore !Preferisco non eliminare il file. Una volta (su un altro sistema, con meno memoria) avevo provato. Non succedeva nulla finchè Windows tirava fuori l'inconcina con il punto esclamativo in basso a destra e poi mi ritrovato con il file di swap nella partizione di sistema ... e mi toccava eliminarla !
          • topolinux scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            io ho perso un po ad ottimizzare il so... ora richiede tra 90 e 200mb.ovviamente e' gnu/linux.
          • Joe Tornado scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            Windows XP SP1 ridotto all'osso e senza nulla in avvio automatico sta sui 100 MBytes ...
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: Joe Tornado
            Windows XP SP1 ridotto all'osso e senza nulla in
            avvio automatico sta sui 100 MBytes
            ...E tu avresti il coraggio di usare XP SP1? io no..
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: Joe Tornado
            Comunque, anche con quel
            file di swap, il mio Windows XP vola ... oltre ad
            essere discretamente "ottimizzato" è installato
            (in modo intelligente) su un SSD
            !XP non supporta la funzione TRIM, ti fidi a installarlo su un SSD con il rischio che scriva sempre su alcune celle, logorandole anzi tempo?
          • Joe Tornado scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            Più che allineare la partizione non ho fatto ... non mi preoccupo più di tanto, i dati sono tutti al sicuro, ed il supporto quando si guasta, si guasta. Ovviamente, la partizione ospita solo il sistema ed i programmi. Tutti gli altri files sono altrove.Prima o poi dovrò passare a Windows 7, ogni tanto lo avvio e me lo studio un pochino, ma credimi ... non riesco a trovare un motivo ... per me XP va così bene !
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: Joe Tornado
            Prima o poi dovrò passare a Windows 7, ogni tanto
            lo avvio e me lo studio un pochino, ma credimi
            ... non riesco a trovare un motivo ... per me XP
            va così bene
            !Io invece trovo tutti e 3 i s.o. utili in base alla piattaforma dove vengono usati :xp sul netbookVista64 sul notebook (più performante di xp su questa macchina)7 64bit sul fisso (per sfruttare diverse caratteristiche di serie senza bisogno di patch, come le dx11, il trim sugli ssd, l'eventuale futuro monitor touch screen)
          • caches scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: lroby
            almeno 1 gb di ram su xp e vai di file di swap
            disabilitato e nella preparazione speciale che
            faccio io, l'utilizzo di ram da parte del s.o.
            cambia
            moltissimoahaha cosa fai con 4gb di ram? usi pae? ah è vero usi un sistema vecchio che non li vede...
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: caches
            ahaha cosa fai con 4gb di ram? usi pae? ah è vero
            usi un sistema vecchio che non li
            vede...Ma perchè parlate senza cognizione di causa? giusto per inventarvi le fesserie?il PAE su Windows praticamente NON ha mai funzionato e di solito la gente furba con 4gb di ram, ha sistemi operativi a 64bit installati nel pc (a meno che non abbia bisogno di xp come s.o. obbligatorio per sw vecchi o come secondo s.o. e si accontenta in quel caso di quanto il s.o. a 32bit possa riconoscere, di solito attorno ai 3gb)
          • Fesion scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            http://www.nexthardware.com/guide/sistemi-operativi/6/4-gb-di-ram-come-sfruttarli-al-100_1.htmQui dicono che il PAE funzi anche su i XP SP2...
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: Fesion
            http://www.nexthardware.com/guide/sistemi-operativ
            Qui dicono che il PAE funzi anche su i XP SP2...Li possono dire quello che gli pare loro, io che lavoro nel campo e ho fatto le mie prove del caso, dico che in realtà non funziona e se anche funzionasse, lo farebbe male in quanto i sw comunque non possono trarne vantaggi (hanno il limite di 2gb di ram massima occupabile per sw)quindi PAE = PACCO per me
          • Fesion scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            http://www.nexthardware.com/guide/sistemi-operativi/6/4-gb-di-ram-come-sfruttarli-al-100_2.htmQui spiegano come abilitare l'uso di 3GB di RAM da parte dei programmi :)Cmq il PAE deve essere supportato da MOBO e CPU ed essendo un "accrocchio" preferirei avere i 64 bit, come penso vien fuori dalle tue esperienze sul campo
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            - Scritto da: Fesion
            http://www.nexthardware.com/guide/sistemi-operativ
            Qui spiegano come abilitare l'uso di 3GB di RAM
            da parte dei programmi
            :)
            Cmq il PAE deve essere supportato da MOBO e CPU
            ed essendo un "accrocchio" preferirei avere i 64
            bit, come penso vien fuori dalle tue esperienze
            sul
            campoDecisamente si, anche perchè su un sistema a 64bit puoi avere anche l'antivirus a 64bit e a quel punto i virus (che al momento che io sappia esistono SOLO a 32bit) si attaccano al tram :D
          • Lorenzo scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            ma.. io al lavoro ho xp su una macchina ( mai stato necessario riavviarlo in una giornata ) e 7 sull'altra ... 7 ( enterprice ) lo odio quando mi dice che l'applicazione e' bloccata e fa girare il pallino per un bel pezzo mentre la stessa applicazione su xp gira fluida ...la macchina con 7 e' ovviamemte adeguata come hardware ... se vi trovate bene con 7 buon per voi ... io mi tengo xp finche' posso .Ah l'upgrade a 7 delle macchine con xp e' stato sconsigliato dalla divisione informatica , non per il costo di licenza ma per motivi di prestazioni delle macchine ( almeno cosi' dice la comunicazione )
          • Gurzo2007 scrive:
            Re: dico la mia
            se non gira l'applicazione dipende da come è stato installato win7 e se è compatibile con esso, io non ho avuto nessun problema, e la divisione informatica dovrebbe sapere che winxp è un colabrodo rispetto a win7
  • bubba scrive:
    1Gb? slitaz 24Mega
    giusto in questi gg stavo giocando col bootstrap da rete (gpxe/pxelinux) in rom (nel bios) + slitaz. Va dal floppy 1.44mega a iso9660 30mega. Da caricarsi interamente in ram. Ram totale necessaria: dai 24Mega (la bare) a 160Mega (requirements di massima, poi dipende come cucini l'iso, e da quanti tools/cose vuoi fare. con 512M fai di tutto)
  • mau scrive:
    Dramma!
    Notizia da panico per la lroby cippa ediscion :-)
    • uno qualsiasi scrive:
      Re: Dramma!
      Guarda che esistono già versioni di windows ridotte, per computer vecchi, e lroby aveva detto più volte che le usa. Anzi, immagino che sia pure contento di avere uno strumento in più, adesso, da usare quando gli serve.
      • lroby scrive:
        Re: Dramma!
        - Scritto da: uno qualsiasi
        Guarda che esistono già versioni di windows
        ridotte, per computer vecchi, e lroby aveva detto
        più volte che le usa.Infatti, la FLP l'ho usata con sucXXXXX sul netbook eeepc900, che montava un vecchissimo Celeron 900 mhz ma con 2gb di ram e FLP R.E. viaggiava che era una meraviglia :D
        Anzi, immagino che sia pure
        contento di avere uno strumento in più, adesso,
        da usare quando gli
        serve.Ma in realtà l'idea di un s.o. "light" che richieda 1gb di ram mi sembra una caxxata, se ho pc con 128/256mb di ram, preferisco a questo punto FLP mentre sui netbook, beh.. io compro SOLO i modelli Asus che hanno i drivers ufficiali della casa madre per XP, poi metto quello :Dpsgrazie per avermi pensato ad entrambi :D
        • caches scrive:
          Re: Dramma!
          - Scritto da: lroby
          ps
          grazie per avermi pensato ad entrambi :Dpsho la vaghissima impressione che ti si prendesse un po' per c*lo
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: Dramma!
            - Scritto da: caches
            ps
            ho la vaghissima impressione che ti si prendesse
            un po' per
            c*loSi lo so già, ma lascia che il bambino si diverta, è così innocente :D
    • lroby scrive:
      Re: Dramma!
      - Scritto da: mau
      Notizia da panico per la lroby cippa ediscion :-)Ah ah ah.. battuta simpatica, devo ammetterlo :Dse vuoi la risposta seria invece, scendi al mio post successivo che ho scritto a "uno qualsiasi"
  • banca scrive:
    suggerimento
    guardando quihttp://www.splashtop.com/remotemi sa che una versione molto light per arm (magari basata su windows ce) potrebbe esser parecchio interessante per controllare i desktop in remoto dai tablet arm (ammesso non ci sia già)
    • enzo scrive:
      Re: suggerimento
      - Scritto da: banca
      guardando qui
      http://www.splashtop.com/remote

      mi sa che una versione molto light per arm
      (magari basata su windows ce) potrebbe esser
      parecchio interessante per controllare i desktop
      in remoto dai tablet arm (ammesso non ci sia
      già)Dai tempi di Windows Mobile 5 su arm che uso il desktop remoto.Vabbè ma qua qualcuno si sveglia la mattina e decide di dedicarsi all'informatica... L'italia è alla FRUTTA!
  • MacBoy scrive:
    Un terminale stupido con 1 GB di Ram
    Mi sembra l'opposto di un PC, cioè si sta tornando all'era dei Mainframe con "terminali stupidi"?Almeno quelli non richiedevano proXXXXXri multicore con 1 GB di ram...
    • Jack Rackham scrive:
      Re: Un terminale stupido con 1 GB di Ram
      - Scritto da: MacBoy
      Mi sembra l'opposto di un PC, cioè si sta
      tornando all'era dei Mainframe con "terminali
      stupidi"?Almeno quelli non richiedevano
      proXXXXXri multicore con 1 GB di
      ram...Guarda che i terminali non sono MAI spariti eh! HP ha una linea di thin client da sempre... So per certo che le farmacie hanno un sistema di terminali connessi a non so che risorsa centrale per il controllo degli statini... anche le banche e alcune assicurazioni hanno dei terminali... oggi la connessione non è più con il mainframe che sta nello scantinato ma tramite internet con un server remoto, ma il concetto di terminale/appliance è ancora vivo... magari la scelta di usare Windows come OS sarà discutibile, ma di fatto esistono ancora e sono pure parecchio diffusi, solo che non te ne accorgi! :)--JackRackham
      • Mr. X scrive:
        Re: Un terminale stupido con 1 GB di Ram
        JackRackhamSi ma questa qui è un'altra cosa, e pure stupida, i thin client di hp, e compaq prima li usavo, quelli compaq andavano con NT embedded, mentre quelli HP montano linux, ma hanno si e no 128mb di storage flash per il sistema operativo e pochissima ram, tanto per quello che devono fare va piu che bene.
        • JackRackham scrive:
          Re: Un terminale stupido con 1 GB di Ram
          - Scritto da: Mr. X
          Si ma questa qui è un'altra cosa, e pure stupida,
          i thin client di hp, e compaq prima li usavo,
          quelli compaq andavano con NT embedded, mentre
          quelli HP montano linux, ma hanno si e no 128mb
          di storage flash per il sistema operativo e
          pochissima ram, tanto per quello che devono fare
          va piu che
          bene.e ma siccome siamo nel 2011 adesso il thin client hp e compaq te lo fanno x86 e con 1gb di ram perchè, ipotizzo, magari gli costa meno metterci un banco di ram da 1gb piuttosto che comprare i banchi da 128mb fatti apposta... sarà stupida come cosa, ma se "non ci sono più i thin client di una volta" le aziende in qualche modo si adeguano e ci montano win7 thin client! :(--JackRackham
  • ruppolo scrive:
    Rotta verso Andromeda
    questi annunci fanno capire come ormai Microsoft sta procedendo verso destinazione lontana dal pianeta Terra. Bon vojage!
    • dalek scrive:
      Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
      fa la stessa fine di home server (che non se lo tira nessuno)
      • Jack Rackham scrive:
        Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
        - Scritto da: dalek
        fa la stessa fine di home server (che non se lo
        tira nessuno)Eccone un altro che la sa lunga...Questo Windows Thin PC è analogo a Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs, anche esso rilasciato a suo tempo sotto la Microsoft Software Assurance.Non sono software intesi per il pubblico. Non sono acquistabili al negozio. Sono ottenibili solo tramite la MSA.Servono per le aziende, e manco quelle piccole, ma quelle grandicelle. La versione citata in questo articolo è appena uscita, ma la WinFLP è la base di diversi servizi informatici disponibili per il pubblico, tipo bancomat, cartelloni pubblicitari dinamici (ogni tanto collaboro con un'azienda di Milano che opera a livello nazionale), terminali di vario tipo, etc. etc.Quindi non farà la stessa fine di Home Server, ma ve lo ritroverete sotto gli occhi o sotto le mani senza neanche saperlo...In parole povere, prima di postare XXXXXXXte, DOCUMENTATEVI! :)--JackRackham
        • RealENNECI scrive:
          Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
          JackRackhamEh be ottima scelta winzoz nei cartelloni pubblicitari e nei bancomat...Ottimo modo di far conoscere, sotto lgi occhi di tutti, quanto fà schifo... tempo 2 settimane e già sarà piantato in bsod...
          • Jack Rackham scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            - Scritto da: RealENNECI
            Eh be ottima scelta winzoz nei cartelloni
            pubblicitari e nei
            bancomat...
            Ottimo modo di far conoscere, sotto lgi occhi di
            tutti, quanto fà schifo... tempo 2 settimane e
            già sarà piantato in
            bsod...Beh, le hai mai viste in giro su internet le foto con le BSOD sui vari terminali nel mondo, dal bancomat ai cartelloni con gli orari dei treni???Vai su google, cerca BSOD poi clicca su immagini e fatti due risate! :DGiusto per gradire, ma ce ne sono a bizzeffe:http://digilander.libero.it/torshind/bsod/bsod-airport1.jpghttp://zenarchery.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/night-bsod-paris-vegas-gi1.jpghttp://www.attivissimo.net/security/wincrashes/zem_bsod_1.sized.jpg--JackRackham
          • Mr. X scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            Io tremo tutte le volte che sul bancomat sento il click tipo di Explorer.....
          • acciuga scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            JackRackhamLOL
        • ruppolo scrive:
          Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
          - Scritto da: Jack Rackham
          Servono per le aziende, e manco quelle piccole,
          ma quelle grandicelle.Tipo la FIAT?Penso siano gli unici al mondo ad aver messo una porta USB incompatibile con gli iPod/iPhone.
          • enzo scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            - Scritto da: ruppolo
            - Scritto da: Jack Rackham

            Servono per le aziende, e manco quelle piccole,

            ma quelle grandicelle.

            Tipo la FIAT?

            Penso siano gli unici al mondo ad aver messo una
            porta USB incompatibile con gli
            iPod/iPhone.Altra XXXXXXX. Punto evo con blu % me. Funziona sia l'ipod che l'iphone. Ma è possibile che date aria inutilmente alle corde vocali?
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            - Scritto da: enzo
            - Scritto da: ruppolo

            - Scritto da: Jack Rackham


            Servono per le aziende, e manco quelle
            piccole,


            ma quelle grandicelle.



            Tipo la FIAT?



            Penso siano gli unici al mondo ad aver messo una

            porta USB incompatibile con gli

            iPod/iPhone.
            Altra XXXXXXX. Punto evo con blu % me. Funziona
            sia l'ipod che l'iphone. Ma è possibile che date
            aria inutilmente alle corde
            vocali?Infatti è quello che mi chiedo anch'io, perché dare aria inutilmente alle corde vocali?Blue&me non ha nulla a che spartire con l'USB:http://www.fiat.it/cgi-bin/pbrand.dll/FIAT_ITALIA/blueme/blueme.jsp Blue&Me permette di utilizzare nella massima sicurezza in auto il proprio cellulare dotato di tecnologia bluetooth® La conosci la differenza tra Bluetooth e USB?Studiala, prima di dare aria alle corde vocali...
          • enzo scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            - Scritto da: ruppolo
            - Scritto da: enzo

            - Scritto da: ruppolo


            - Scritto da: Jack Rackham



            Servono per le aziende, e manco quelle

            piccole,



            ma quelle grandicelle.





            Tipo la FIAT?





            Penso siano gli unici al mondo ad aver messo
            una


            porta USB incompatibile con gli


            iPod/iPhone.

            Altra XXXXXXX. Punto evo con blu % me. Funziona

            sia l'ipod che l'iphone. Ma è possibile che date

            aria inutilmente alle corde

            vocali?

            Infatti è quello che mi chiedo anch'io, perché
            dare aria inutilmente alle corde
            vocali?
            Blue&me non ha nulla a che spartire con l'USB:
            http://www.fiat.it/cgi-bin/pbrand.dll/FIAT_ITALIA/

            Blue&Me permette di utilizzare nella massima
            sicurezza in auto il proprio cellulare dotato di
            tecnologia
            bluetooth®

            La conosci la differenza tra Bluetooth e USB?
            Studiala, prima di dare aria alle corde vocali... Il blu & me comprende oltre alle tecnologie bluetooth, anche una porta usb montata nella vettura. Vuoi le foto o ricerchi da solo? L'automobile, quando cerchi una sorgente audio, cerca oltre che dal cd/mp3 anche dalla porta usb dove puopi collegarci , oltre che alle pennette usb con mp3, anche dispositivi quali ipod, iphone. Funziona benissimo
          • enzo scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            - Scritto da: enzo
            - Scritto da: ruppolo

            - Scritto da: enzo


            - Scritto da: ruppolo



            - Scritto da: Jack Rackham




            Servono per le aziende, e manco quelle


            piccole,




            ma quelle grandicelle.







            Tipo la FIAT?







            Penso siano gli unici al mondo ad aver messo

            una



            porta USB incompatibile con gli



            iPod/iPhone.


            Altra XXXXXXX. Punto evo con blu % me.
            Funziona


            sia l'ipod che l'iphone. Ma è possibile che
            date


            aria inutilmente alle corde


            vocali?



            Infatti è quello che mi chiedo anch'io, perché

            dare aria inutilmente alle corde

            vocali?

            Blue&me non ha nulla a che spartire con l'USB:


            http://www.fiat.it/cgi-bin/pbrand.dll/FIAT_ITALIA/



            Blue&Me permette di utilizzare nella massima

            sicurezza in auto il proprio cellulare dotato di

            tecnologia

            bluetooth®



            La conosci la differenza tra Bluetooth e USB?

            Studiala, prima di dare aria alle corde
            vocali...
            Il blu & me comprende oltre alle tecnologie
            bluetooth, anche una porta usb montata nella
            vettura. Vuoi le foto o ricerchi da solo?
            L'automobile, quando cerchi una sorgente audio,
            cerca oltre che dal cd/mp3 anche dalla porta usb
            dove puopi collegarci , oltre che alle pennette
            usb con mp3, anche dispositivi quali ipod,
            iphone. Funziona
            benissimoE funzionano benissimi anche le funzionalità di lettura messaggi e chiamata vocale tramite bluetooth.
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            - Scritto da: enzo
            Il blu & me comprende oltre alle tecnologie
            bluetooth, anche una porta usb montata nella
            vettura.Dove sta scritto?
            Vuoi le foto o ricerchi da solo?Non mi servono le foto, la mia compagna usa la Cubo per lavoro e quella bellissima porta USB, con logo Windows accanto, non è compatibile con iPod/iPhone. Nemmeno lo carica, cosa che fa qualsiasi porta USB, anche quella stupida di un carica batterie da parete.Per renderla compatibile devi interporre un acXXXXXrio Fiat da 100 euro e fare un upgrade specifico del firmware della Cubo.
            L'automobile, quando cerchi una sorgente audio,
            cerca oltre che dal cd/mp3 anche dalla porta usb
            dove puopi collegarci , oltre che alle pennette
            usb con mp3, anche dispositivi quali ipod,
            iphone. Funziona
            benissimoFunziona un XXXXX, altrimenti Fiat non avrebbe a listino l'adattatore per le SUE automobili per iPod/iPhone!
          • enzo scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            - Scritto da: ruppolo
            - Scritto da: enzo

            Il blu & me comprende oltre alle tecnologie

            bluetooth, anche una porta usb montata nella

            vettura.

            Dove sta scritto?
            Non so dove sta scritto, fatto sta che solo quelle che hanno il blu and me hanno la porta usb, le altre no!

            Vuoi le foto o ricerchi da solo?

            Non mi servono le foto, la mia compagna usa la
            Cubo per lavoro e quella bellissima porta USB,
            con logo Windows accanto, non è compatibile con
            iPod/iPhone. Nemmeno lo carica, cosa che fa
            qualsiasi porta USB, anche quella stupida di un
            carica batterie da
            parete.
            Per renderla compatibile devi interporre un
            acXXXXXrio Fiat da 100 euro e fare un upgrade
            specifico del firmware della
            Cubo.Ti ho gia smentito dicendo che non è vero. A limite sarà un problema di software del blu & me non aggiornato. Gli Ipod si aggiornano non è che la fiat o Microsoft possono sapere anni prima come questi maledetti apparecchi PROPRIETARI funzionano

            L'automobile, quando cerchi una sorgente audio,

            cerca oltre che dal cd/mp3 anche dalla porta usb

            dove puopi collegarci , oltre che alle pennette

            usb con mp3, anche dispositivi quali ipod,

            iphone. Funziona

            benissimo

            Funziona un XXXXX, altrimenti Fiat non avrebbe a
            listino l'adattatore per le SUE automobili per
            iPod/iPhone!Io lo collego, gli impediti ovviamente no!Visto che posti link dal solto della fiat, scaricati gli aggiornamenti, visto che gia da un anno blu&me supporta Ipod touch & iphone
          • enzo scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            Per la cronaca, Novembre 2010: http://www.iphoneitalia.com/blueme-il-servizio-fiat-si-aggiorna-con-piena-compatibilita-alliphone-165999.htmlE sappi che comunque è un di più che fiat permetta l'interfacciamento dell'Iphone, visto che , come sappiamo , usa un metodo tutto suo per l'allocazione dei brani.
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda

            Per renderla compatibile devi interporre un
            acXXXXXrio Fiat da 100 euro e fare un upgrade
            specifico del firmware della
            Cubo.Eh beh... se la apple ti costringe a comprare un acXXXXXrio per collegare la fotocamera, o per collegare la padella (o il mac) alla TV sei li pronto con il portafogli in mano, se lo fa fiat è uno scandalo? Prima o poi lo capiranno anche tutte le altre aziende che i macachi sono limoni da spremere.
          • enzo scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            - Scritto da: nome e cognome

            Per renderla compatibile devi interporre un

            acXXXXXrio Fiat da 100 euro e fare un upgrade

            specifico del firmware della

            Cubo.Ti schiarisco le idee: la porta usb che esiste nelle versioni blu & me delle vetture, serve oltre che ad aggiungere un altra sorgente audio, anche per aggiornare il software. Si scarica, si copia sulla penna, si mette nell'auto, si gira la chiave, et voilà parte l'aggiornamento.
            Eh beh... se la apple ti costringe a comprare un
            acXXXXXrio per collegare la fotocamera, o per
            collegare la padella (o il mac) alla TV sei li
            pronto con il portafogli in mano, se lo fa fiat è
            uno scandalo?


            Prima o poi lo capiranno anche tutte le altre
            aziende che i macachi sono limoni da
            spremere.
          • prot scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            Secondo me non ti rendi conto di quanto sei ridicolo, hai proprio bisogno di aiuto.Se la tua divinità fecale con la meletta multicolore omette una porta su uno dei suoi merdosi dispositivi va bene, è così che dev'essere e comunque non serviva a niente perché stìv ha decretato che il mondo è wireless. Se devi comprare un'adattatore a suon di quattrini va bene così perché solo pochi sciocchi hanno bisogno di quella porta "di default".Se i tuoi amati gadgets hanno un problema e si risolve con un aggiornamento del firmware o con uno stupido preservativo gigante in silicone o qualche altro polimero va bene: vuol dire che la tua padrona èppol vince sempre e ha sempre ragione.Se la FIAT ti chiede 100 per un adattatore per collegare i tuoi giocattoli di lusso non va più bene?Se la FIAT ti costringe ad aggiornare un firmware non va più bene?Il pianeta terra gira intorno al sole, non intorno ad una meletta mozzicata multicolore.
    • Jack Rackham scrive:
      Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
      - Scritto da: ruppolo
      questi annunci fanno capire come ormai Microsoft
      sta procedendo verso destinazione lontana dal
      pianeta Terra. Bon
      vojage!Potresti gentilmente argomentare? E' un domanda di cui conosco già la risposta, ma sai che cos'è il Microsoft Software Assurance citato nell'articolo?E giusto per la cronaca e per dimostrare che sei un ignorante a 360 gradi, si scrive "voyage" e non "vojage"... XXXXX!--JackRackham
      • 123456 scrive:
        Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
        Se conosci già la risposta perchè fai la domanda? A meno che tu non abbia da fare il PR per Microsoft.
        • Jack Rackham scrive:
          Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
          - Scritto da: 123456
          Se conosci già la risposta perchè fai la domanda?Tu sei nuovo da queste parti, vero?
          A meno che tu non abbia da fare il PR per
          Microsoft.O sei nuovo, o sei amico di ruppolo...Non faccio il PR per nessuno ma A) se la gente dice XXXXXXX mi pare il minimo correggerla e B) quando ho tempo non mi lascio mai sfuggire l'occasione di sXXXXXre ruppolo! ;)--JackRackham
          • 123456 scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            Sono vecchio e nuovo al contempo su questo forum. Qgni tanto torno per vedere se i fanboy sono sempre gli stessi il tuo post sopra ti qualifica.
          • JackRackham scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            - Scritto da: 123456
            Sono vecchio e nuovo al contempo su questo forum.
            Qgni tanto torno per vedere se i fanboy sono
            sempre gli stessi il tuo post sopra ti
            qualifica.No no no... spe... mettiamo in chiaro le cose... non confondermi con un fanboy, a me di Windows Thin PC non me ne frega un caxxo, io sono qui per sXXXXXXX ruppolo! :)--JackRackham
      • ruppolo scrive:
        Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
        JackRackhamMai ignorante quanto te, che non sai come si scrive megabyte:http://punto-informatico.it/b.aspx?i=3152531&m=3153430#p3153430 (Atom N270 con 1Gb di ram) Si scrive "MB", non "Mb".Dubbi?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabyte It is commonly abbreviated as Mbyte or MB (compare Mb, for the megabit). E tu saresti un informatico? Sei solo un IGNORANTE a 360 gradi. XXXXX!
        • JackRackham scrive:
          Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
          - Scritto da: ruppolo
          Mai ignorante quanto te, che non sai come si
          scrive
          megabyte:

          http://punto-informatico.it/b.aspx?i=3152531&m=315

          (Atom N270 con 1Gb di ram)

          Si scrive "MB", non "Mb".E no ruppolo, dai, coi link non vale!!! :D Io quando ti prendo per il XXXX vado a memoria, improvviso... Così mica è giusto! :D--JackRackham
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            A tutti quelli che mi attaccano su parole scritte male rendo pan per focaccia nel giro di 2 post. Tutti, nessuno escluso. ;) :D
          • Joe Tornado scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            Occhio, Ruppolo ...
          • Charlie Parker scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            Il tuo problema non sono le parole scritte male (per quelle hai il correttore ortografico). Il dramma è che non sai coniugare i verbi, non conosci l'inglese, ignori il significato delle parole e ancora ti azzardi a fare il saccente. Tu sbagli tutti i congiuntivi e pensi che per rendere pan per focaccia basti segnalare una maiuscola? Ti devo ricordare tutte le volte che ti ho sXXXXXXXto? Perché non provi a rendere pan per focaccia a me? (attento alla trappola)-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 09 maggio 2011 01.39-----------------------------------------------------------
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: Rotta verso Andromeda
            Il problema in questo forum è la tua presenza, che non porta alcun contributo agli argomenti. I tuoi post non sono pertinenti all'informatica, che XXXXX ci stai a fare qui?
        • precisino scrive:
          Re: Rotta verso Andromeda

          JackRackham

          Mai ignorante quanto te, che non sai come si
          scrive
          megabyte:

          http://punto-informatico.it/b.aspx?i=3152531&m=315

          (Atom N270 con 1Gb di ram)

          Si scrive "MB", non "Mb".Veramente si parlava di Giga e non di Mega ;-)
  • hacher scrive:
    1 gb di ram?
    aha aha aha e x una versione light si hanno bisogno 1 giga di ram?... aha aha aha
    • Sborone di Rubikiana memoria scrive:
      Re: 1 gb di ram?
      Ho pensato la stessa cosa. :D
    • Picchiatell o scrive:
      Re: 1 gb di ram?
      - Scritto da: hacher
      aha aha aha e x una versione light si hanno
      bisogno 1 giga di ram?... aha aha
      ahaquindi praticamente la versione "light" vuole piu' risorse di una "castred edition" vista II per i netbook ?, a meno che non prendano per il deretano i clienti dei netbook ...
      • Acquistator e scrive:
        Re: 1 gb di ram?
        - Scritto da: Picchiatell o
        - Scritto da: hacher

        aha aha aha e x una versione light si hanno

        bisogno 1 giga di ram?... aha aha

        aha

        quindi praticamente la versione "light" vuole
        piu' risorse di una "castred edition" vista II
        per i netbook ?, a meno che non prendano per il
        deretano i clienti dei netbook
        ...La seconda che hai detto.Ho un netbook con XP con 1Gb di RAM che ha 2/3 anni di vita e va come una freccia (non me l'aspettavo quando l'ho comprato e in effetti avevo intenzione di portarlo a 2Gb, ma non l'ho fatto mai perché non c'era bisogno).Ho acquistato l'altro giorno un netbook nuovo (quindi con hw migliore di quello che avevo) sempre con 1Gb di RAM e con Windows 7 Starter: va lento, lento, lento. Oggi pomeriggio vado a comprare la RAM e lo porto a 2Gb (con i quali mi dicono vada bene).
        • ruppolo scrive:
          Re: 1 gb di ram?
          - Scritto da: Acquistator e
          - Scritto da: Picchiatell o

          - Scritto da: hacher


          aha aha aha e x una versione light si hanno


          bisogno 1 giga di ram?... aha aha


          aha



          quindi praticamente la versione "light" vuole

          piu' risorse di una "castred edition" vista II

          per i netbook ?, a meno che non prendano per il

          deretano i clienti dei netbook

          ...

          La seconda che hai detto.
          Ho un netbook con XP con 1Gb di RAM che ha 2/3
          anni di vita e va come una freccia (non me
          l'aspettavo quando l'ho comprato e in effetti
          avevo intenzione di portarlo a 2Gb, ma non l'ho
          fatto mai perché non c'era
          bisogno).
          Ho acquistato l'altro giorno un netbook nuovo
          (quindi con hw migliore di quello che avevo)
          sempre con 1Gb di RAM e con Windows 7 Starter: va
          lento, lento, lento. Oggi pomeriggio vado a
          comprare la RAM e lo porto a 2Gb (con i quali mi
          dicono vada
          bene).Con i quali resterà lento.
          • Jack Rackham scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: ruppolo
            Con i quali resterà lento.Senti, ma tu che c'hai pure la tazza del XXXXX marcata Apple, mi spieghi che ne sai di netbook e di come ci gira Windows 7? Dai, sii buono, è parecchio che te lo ripeto, parla di argomenti che conosci che eviti figuracce... Prima o poi a qualcuno dei tuoi clienti gli verrà in mente di mettere il tuo nome su un motore di ricerca... e quello che esce fuori non è bello...--JackRackham
          • Sgabbio scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            Ma ha ragione però, purtroppo!Comunque la colpa sta anche delle schifezze preinstallate che mettono nei marchiati, anche!
          • Jack Rackham scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: Sgabbio
            Ma ha ragione però, purtroppo!

            Comunque la colpa sta anche delle schifezze
            preinstallate che mettono nei marchiati,
            anche!Ma c'avete tutti la memoria corta? Non se lo ricorda nessuno l'articolo di qualche giorno fa del tizio che aveva comprato il portatile per la nipotina che era pieno di bloatware e che c'ha messo 6 ore per arrivare al desktop?Mi pareva che nel forum fossimo tutti d'accordo che la cosa migliore da fare dopo aver comprato un portatile è tirarlo fuori dalla scatola, rasarlo a zero e installarci il sistema operativo vanilla... No?--JackRackham
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: Jack Rackham
            Ma c'avete tutti la memoria corta? Non se lo
            ricorda nessuno l'articolo di qualche giorno fa
            del tizio che aveva comprato il portatile per la
            nipotina che era pieno di bloatware e che c'ha
            messo 6 ore per arrivare al
            desktop?E chi se lo dimentica quello?
            Mi pareva che nel forum fossimo tutti d'accordo
            che la cosa migliore da fare dopo aver comprato
            un portatile è tirarlo fuori dalla scatola,
            rasarlo a zero e installarci il sistema operativo
            vanilla...
            No?Cosa che faccio da quando ho iniziato a trattare portatili (gli assemblati ovviamente li ho sempre potuti installare da zero)
          • enzo scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: Sgabbio
            Ma ha ragione però, purtroppo!

            Comunque la colpa sta anche delle schifezze
            preinstallate che mettono nei marchiati,
            anche!Invece non ha ragione per niente. Testato personalmente sul mio eeepc 1000he, è una scheggia, molto di più della versione xp che ti include asus. Youtube è anche pieno di video a supporto di questa cosa, tu che porti a supporto?
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: enzo
            Invece non ha ragione per niente. Testato
            personalmente sul mio eeepc 1000he, è una
            scheggia, molto di più della versione xp che ti
            include asus. Youtube è anche pieno di video a
            supporto di questa cosa, tu che porti a
            supporto?Posso farti una domanda senza polemica per favore?Hai installato Windows 7 formattando completamente il disco fisso?
          • enzo scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            SI, l'ho formattato. E' incredibile di quanto ci ha guadagnato il netbook sia come tempi di boot/shutdown, sia come velocità generale del sistema.
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: enzo
            SI, l'ho formattato. E' incredibile di quanto ci
            ha guadagnato il netbook sia come tempi di
            boot/shutdown, sia come velocità generale del
            sistema.Ecco appunto, hai confrontato un sistema (xp) trovato preinstallato e quindi pieno di schifezze con uno (7) che hai installato pulito.Se avessi reinstallato xp dopo averlo formattato, l'avresti trovato ancora più veloce del tuo attuale 7.
          • ops scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            concordo, xp alleggerito da nlite su un NC10, e se ci metti un SSD e' perfetto, una giornata intera di lavoro senza rete elettrica e completamente silenzioso, purtroppo credo stia ormai tirando gli ultimi :(
          • enzo scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            - Scritto da: enzo

            SI, l'ho formattato. E' incredibile di quanto ci

            ha guadagnato il netbook sia come tempi di

            boot/shutdown, sia come velocità generale del

            sistema.
            Ecco appunto, hai confrontato un sistema (xp)
            trovato preinstallato e quindi pieno di schifezze
            con uno (7) che hai installato
            pulito.
            Se avessi reinstallato xp dopo averlo formattato,
            l'avresti trovato ancora più veloce del tuo
            attuale
            7.Si ma potendo scegliere, preferisco 7. Posseggo la licenza tramite msdnaa
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: enzo
            Si ma potendo scegliere, preferisco 7. Posseggo
            la licenza tramite
            msdnaaI gusti non si discutono (sarebbe in latino ma non me la ricordo) :D
          • Darwin scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            de gustibus non disputandum est ;)
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: Darwin
            de gustibus non disputandum est ;)Grazie! Proprio quella :D
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: Jack Rackham
            - Scritto da: ruppolo


            Con i quali resterà lento.

            Senti, ma tu che c'hai pure la tazza del XXXXX
            marcata Apple, mi spieghi che ne sai di netbook e
            di come ci gira Windows 7? Dai, sii buono, è
            parecchio che te lo ripeto, parla di argomenti
            che conosci che eviti figuracce...Mi pare che tu abbia detto la stessa cosa:http://punto-informatico.it/b.aspx?i=3152531&m=3153430#p3153430 Aggiungere RAM a un preinstallato che va lento non ti risolve niente. Quindi nemmeno tu sai nulla di netbook e di come ci gira Windows 7?
            Prima o poi a
            qualcuno dei tuoi clienti gli verrà in mente di
            mettere il tuo nome su un motore di ricerca... e
            quello che esce fuori non è
            bello...I miei clienti mi apprezzano per i fatti, non per le parole.In ogni caso se volevo fare il codardo non avevo che da usare un nick qualsiasi, non ti pare?
          • Charlie Parker scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?

            In ogni caso se volevo fare il codardo non avevo
            che da usare un nick qualsiasi, non ti
            pare?Si scrive "se avessi voluto", non "se volevo"... beata ignoranza...
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            JackRackhamPurtroppo Ruppolo a sto giro ci ha azzeccato in pieno, non so se per caso o per sua esperienza diretta ma purtroppo è così, Windows 7 è un sistema INADATTO a girare su hw così limitato come quello di un netbook qualunque esso sia. Il fatto di avere 2gb di ram permette di aprire più applicazioni o applicazioni più pesanti (leggi esose di memoria) ma il sistema operativo, rimarrà pesante allo stesso identico modo.Tu considera che io sono riuscito a far correre molto velocemente Vista su un netbook NC20 della Samsung, che è sempre stato l'unico netbook ad avere caratteristiche hw maggiori rispetto alla normalità degli Atom, tra cui spiccavano la cpu con fsb 800 e 1mb di cache, la ram che viaggiava a 800mhz, la scheda video Chrome9 S3, e per ottenere quella elevata velocità ho dovuto "potare" parecchio il s.o. stesso (va beh che lo faccio per tutti i pc, compresi quelli della Nasa), perchè appena installato era lentino, dopo era diventato molto veloce.Peccato che quando ho rimesso la sua licenza originale di XP Home (ovviamente anch'essa preparata speciale), questo s.o. (xp) andava almeno il 20/30% più veloce rispetto allo stesso Vista.Una cosa che molti non hanno capito è che l'unico s.o. decente per far camminare/correre bene un netbook, rimanendo in ambito MS è e rimane XP.Infatti quando compro un netbook, scelgo solo modelli che abbiano i drivers ufficiali della casa madre (Asus) anche per xp.Così posso cambiare il s.o. senza alcun problema.
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            Purtroppo Ruppolo a sto giro ci ha azzeccato in
            pieno, non so se per caso o per sua esperienza
            direttaOltre trent'anni passati sui computer serviranno a qualcosa, no?
            Una cosa che molti non hanno capito è che l'unico
            s.o. decente per far camminare/correre bene un
            netbook, rimanendo in ambito MS è e rimane
            XP.E sarebbe razionale acquistare un computer nel 2011 e metterci un sistema operativo del 2001?"Si se funziona bene" sarebbe la risposta? Allora perché nel 2001 non si installava un sistema operativo del 1991? Un bel MS-DOS 5.0...
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: ruppolo
            E sarebbe razionale acquistare un computer nel
            2011 e metterci un sistema operativo del
            2001?In realtà anche se la versione base di xp è nata nell'Ottobre del 2001, la SP2 è nata attorno all'Agosto del 2004, ovvero tre anni dopo.Tu pensa che sulla mia vettura utilizzo ancora il gasolio, lo stesso che esisteva già da quando io ho memoria di essere vivo
            "Si se funziona bene" sarebbe la risposta?Esatto
            Allora perché nel 2001 non si installava un sistema
            operativo del 1991? Un bel MS-DOS
            5.0...Perchè nel 2001 i pc avevano delle caratteristiche tali da far girare benissimo sia Win98SE che Windows ME, ed erano obiettivamente i migliori s.o. dell'epoca adatti a quelle macchine (perfino W2000 era troppo pesante rispetto agli ibridi 16/32bit).Non si tratta di età ma di scegliere il s.o. più ADATTO al singolo computer o categoria di computer.Strano che per un'informatico come te, sia così difficile da comprendere..
          • Joe Tornado scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?

            Strano che per un'informatico come teInformatico ?!?!?
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            - Scritto da: ruppolo

            E sarebbe razionale acquistare un computer nel

            2011 e metterci un sistema operativo del

            2001?
            In realtà anche se la versione base di xp è nata
            nell'Ottobre del 2001, la SP2 è nata attorno
            all'Agosto del 2004, ovvero tre anni
            dopo.Ma è sempre lo stesso identico sistema operativo, non prendiamoci in giro.
            Tu pensa che sulla mia vettura utilizzo ancora il
            gasolio, lo stesso che esisteva già da quando io
            ho memoria di essere
            vivoAnche l'odierno computer va a energia elettrica come quello di 30 anni fa...

            "Si se funziona bene" sarebbe la risposta?
            EsattoAllora perché sviluppare nuovi sistemi? Nuovi software? Nuovi hardware? Forse quelli di 10 fa funzionavano male? E quelli di 20 anni fa? E di 30?

            Allora perché nel 2001 non si installava un
            sistema

            operativo del 1991? Un bel MS-DOS

            5.0...
            Perchè nel 2001 i pc avevano delle
            caratteristiche tali da far girare benissimo sia
            Win98SE che Windows ME, ed erano obiettivamente i
            migliori s.o. dell'epoca adatti a quelle macchine
            (perfino W2000 era troppo pesante rispetto agli
            ibridi
            16/32bit).
            Non si tratta di età ma di scegliere il s.o. più
            ADATTO al singolo computer o categoria di
            computer.
            Strano che per un'informatico come te, sia così
            difficile da
            comprendere..Io comprendo che si studia per migliorare le cose, quindi un sistema operativo di 10 anni fa è un XXXXX, paragonato ad uno attuale.
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: ruppolo
            Ma è sempre lo stesso identico sistema operativo,
            non prendiamoci in
            giro.Errore, non puoi confrontare l'xp base con il sp2, il primo era davvero inutilizzabile, tanto è vero che moltissima gente all'epoca, appena uscito xp, ha preferito continuare ad usare i sistemi precedenti win9x che erano comunque più leggeri e stabili, avevano un enorme parco software e di drivers (che non tutti funzionavano su xp) e sopratutto avevano pc molto limitati come caratteristiche hw (la media aveva 64/128mb di ram, perfino win2000 era troppo lento e pesante in quel periodo)
            Allora perché sviluppare nuovi sistemi? Nuovi
            software? Nuovi hardware? Forse quelli di 10 fa
            funzionavano male? E quelli di 20 anni fa? E di
            30?Ma io non sto dicendo che xp sia il migliore dei s.o. MS, sto solo dicendo che in base alle caratteristiche hw che si possiede, ci sarà il giusto s.o. da abbinare. al momento sui netbook xp è ancora la scelta più sensata in quanto decisamente più leggero di 7 su quel tipo di pc.Mentre sul mio portatile Asus (core i3 da 2.16ghz, 4gb ddr3,500gb sata2), quello che reputo più adatto è Vista64bit in quanto è più veloce e affidabile di xp, supporta maggiori periferiche in automatico, ha un programma di posta favoloso che 7 non ha (Windows Mail) e quando sposto le finestre tutte su un lato o tutte in alto, non me le ingrandisce in automatico. E le icone sulla barra sotto (avvio veloce), quando le clicco per aprire uno dei programmi ivi posizionati, rimangono separate dal rettangolo dell'applicazione aperto che compare sulla barra degli strumenti in basso. (esattamente come fa xp)
            Io comprendo che si studia per migliorare le
            cose, quindi un sistema operativo di 10 anni fa è
            un XXXXX, paragonato ad uno
            attuale.Anche io studio per migliorare le cose, infatti ho studiato come rendere veloci, reattivi e piacevoli da usare ANCHE i netbook :D
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            Sono sicuro che i tuoi sforzi per far andare in modo decente un netbook sono premiati, ma un sistema di 10 anni fa rimane un sistema di 10 anni fa. Se ritieni che le differenze con Windows 7 non sono enormi, allora significa che Microsoft non ha lavorato come doveva.Il sistema Apple di 10 anni fa rispetto a quello attuale sembra il sistema dei Flintstones e non mi sognerei mai di utilizzarlo oggi, per nessuna funzione e su nessun hardware.
          • Darwin scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            Ma io non sto dicendo che xp sia il migliore dei
            s.o. MS,Infatti paradossalmente il migliore dei sistemi Microsoft risulta essere Vista, seguito da 2000 e NT4. Windows 7 per me è solo una truffa immensa.
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: Darwin
            Infatti paradossalmente il migliore dei sistemi
            Microsoft risulta essere Vista, seguito da 2000 e
            NT4. Windows 7 per me è solo una truffa
            immensa.permettimi una domanda.. sei ironico o serio? non ho visto faccine..
          • Darwin scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            permettimi una domanda.. sei ironico o serio? non
            ho visto
            faccine..Dico sul serio. Paradossalmente alle vendite e a come è stato valutato, è Vista ad essere l'OS meglio riuscito a Microsoft.-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 08 maggio 2011 20.45-----------------------------------------------------------
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: Darwin
            Dico sul serio. Paradossalmente alle vendite e a
            come è stato valutato, è Vista ad essere l'OS
            meglio riuscito a
            Microsoft.Posso dire che da un certo punto di vista hai ragione, se consideri che 7 è comunque un remake rivisto e corretto di qualcosa che esisteva già (Vista) e che quindi la differenza non è poi troppa, ma in compenso sono riusciti a farvi delle XXXXXte (come quella di togliere il client di posta ad esempio) e quindi alla fine nemmeno lui è perfetto al 100%, tanto è vero che sul portatile, nonostante tenga tutti e tre i s.o. MS (xp a 32bit, Vista e 7 a 64bit), alla fine il mio s.o. di default è proprio Vista. E devo dire che è proprio un s.o. incompreso dai più, purtroppo.
          • caches scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            (xp a 32bit, Vista e 7 a 64bit), alla fine il mio
            s.o. di default è proprio Vista. E devo dire che
            è proprio un s.o. incompreso dai più,
            purtroppo.eh si! proprio incompreso, mi viene in mente qualcuno...
          • Darwin scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: caches
            eh si! proprio incompreso, mi viene in mente
            qualcuno...Come ho detto, Windows Vista è realmente il miglior sistema operativo mai creato a Redmond.Il problema reale è stata una pubblicità errata da parte di bloggers idioti e incompetenti.Si è vero, il sistema operativo aveva problemi di affidabilità piuttosto pesanti, ma questo è derivato da uno sviluppo travagliato e fatto da un team idiota.L'unica vera colpa che gli si può fare è quella di essere troppo esoso per i PC che attualmente popolavano il mercato. Nonostante questo, bisognava comunque dare a Windows Vista il tempo per poter trovare macchine adatte a poterlo ospitare.Non si può imputargli la colpa delle prestazioni, perchè questo è stato un errore del team, in quanto avrebbero dovuto eliminare NT piuttosto che basare l'OS su Windows Server 2003.Quando Vista uscì, tutti dissero: Windows Vista è meno stabile di XP.Grazie al piffero, nei test paragonarono Windows Vista RTM con XP SP2 che aveva già 6 anni (dalla RTM, uscita nel 2001) di patch alle spalle.Questo è un paragone totalmente assurdo. Chi si ricorda come era XP RTM? Era esattamente come Vista. Poi con il Service Pack 1 le cose sono cambiate radicalmente.Idem con Vista, con il Service Pack 1 e poi con il 2 Vista è diventato abbastanza stabile e non ha nulla da invidiare a XP. Anzi, forse con i due SP è arrivato a esprimere tutte le potenzialità che poteva offrire.Windows 7 invece è solo marketing. La gente dice che Windows 7 è buono, ma Vista fa schifo. Peccato che questa gente non si renda conto che Windows 7 è un Windows Vista più castrato.
          • Darwin scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            Posso dire che da un certo punto di vista hai
            ragione, se consideri che 7 è comunque un remake
            rivisto e corretto di qualcosa che esisteva già
            (Vista) e che quindi la differenza non è poi
            troppa, ma in compenso sono riusciti a farvi
            delle XXXXXte (come quella di togliere il client
            di posta ad esempio) e quindi alla fine nemmeno
            lui è perfetto al 100%, tanto è vero che sul
            portatile, nonostante tenga tutti e tre i s.o. MS
            (xp a 32bit, Vista e 7 a 64bit), alla fine il mio
            s.o. di default è proprio Vista. E devo dire che
            è proprio un s.o. incompreso dai più,
            purtroppo.Pensa che a parità di macchina, forse sono l'unico a questo mondo che ha notato che Windows Vista SP2 consuma meno RAM che Windows 7, almeno sulla mia macchina.Inoltre, ciò che non mi piace di Windows 7 è il fatto che è costruito su edizioni matrioska. Mi spiego meglio: Ciò che ho apprezzato di Vista era il fatto che l'edizione Business (ma anche Enterprise) non includeva XXXXXXXte del tipo Windows Movie Maker, che venivano incluse nella Home Premium e nella Ultimate ecc. Windows 7 Professional (e anche Enterprise), invece, include tutto ciò che include la Home Premium più altre caratteristiche. E ciò lo trovo alquanto stupido, soprattutto vista la non utilità di Windows Media Center su un sistema dedicato al business.
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: Darwin
            Pensa che a parità di macchina, forse sono
            l'unico a questo mondo che ha notato che Windows
            Vista SP2 consuma meno RAM che Windows 7, almeno
            sulla mia
            macchina.Tra i due s.o. ho sempre notato che Windows 7 occupa un meno ram a parità di ottimizzazioni, presumo perchè Vista faccia maggiore uso di Superfetch.Quello che ho notato io invece è che Vista SP1 occupa parecchia ram in meno rispetto a Vista SP2.
            Inoltre, ciò che non mi piace di Windows 7 è il
            fatto che è costruito su edizioni matrioska. Mi
            spiego meglio: Ciò che ho apprezzato di Vista era
            il fatto che l'edizione Business (ma anche
            Enterprise) non includeva XXXXXXXte del tipo
            Windows Movie Maker, che venivano incluse nella
            Home Premium e nella Ultimate ecc. Windows 7
            Professional (e anche Enterprise), invece,
            include tutto ciò che include la Home Premium più
            altre caratteristiche. E ciò lo trovo alquanto
            stupido, soprattutto vista la non utilità di
            Windows Media Center su un sistema dedicato al
            business.Considerando che preferisco sempre le versioni più leggere possibili dei s.o. MS ovvero la Home Basic entro gli 8gb di ram e PER FORZA la Home Premium per pc con 12gb di ram, non ho mai guardato a fondo le versioni aziendali (professional / business)
          • Darwin scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            Tra i due s.o. ho sempre notato che Windows 7
            occupa un meno ram a parità di ottimizzazioni,
            presumo perchè Vista faccia maggiore uso di
            Superfetch.Strano, a me è stato esattamente il contrario.Dovrò indagare meglio su questa cosa.
            Considerando che preferisco sempre le versioni
            più leggere possibili dei s.o. MS ovvero la Home
            Basic entro gli 8gb di ram e PER FORZA la Home
            Premium per pc con 12gb di ram, non ho mai
            guardato a fondo le versioni aziendali
            (professional /
            business)Io con Windows Vista Home Basic ho avuto problemi con l'installazione di Visual Studio.Praticamente non mi completava l'installazione. Con la Business non ne ho mai avuti questi problemi.
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: Darwin
            Io con Windows Vista Home Basic ho avuto problemi
            con l'installazione di Visual
            Studio.
            Praticamente non mi completava l'installazione.
            Con la Business non ne ho mai avuti questi
            problemi.Io per mia fortuna non sono un programmatore, quindi non devo appesantirmi il pc con Visual Studio ne tantomeno con quella chiavica mattone di .NET Framework :D
          • Darwin scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            Io per mia fortuna non sono un programmatore,
            quindi non devo appesantirmi il pc con Visual
            Studio ne tantomeno con quella chiavica mattone
            di .NET Framework
            :DBeato te....Solo per installarlo è una tortura, visti i tempi biblici di installazione :(
          • rover scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            A cucia, Ruppolo!!!Che abbia una mela stampigliata sopra, ovviamente!
        • Jack Rackham scrive:
          Re: 1 gb di ram?
          Prima di spendere soldi per la RAM, prova a fare un'altra cosa invece. Lascia perdere il preinstallato, formatta tutto, scaricati i driver non dal sito del produttore, ma direttamente dai siti dei produttori dei componenti (Intel per chipset e scheda video, Atheros per LAN/WLAN, Broadcom per il Bluetooth, giusto per fare degli esempi), reinstalla Windows 7, installa i driver e vedi come corre.Aggiungere RAM a un preinstallato che va lento non ti risolve niente.Io ho installato Windows 7 Professional su un Acer AO531h (Atom N270 con 1Gb di ram) e va che è una bellezza, meglio dell'XP che era preinstallo di serie... Fra l'altro a fine installazione Win7 mi ha riconosciuto tutti i driver tranne quello del WiFi, quindi in teoria non avresti neanche bisogno di tanto sbattimento...Fatevi furbi, fate da soli, non date retta al preinstallato o al preconfezionato...--JackRackham
          La seconda che hai detto.
          Ho un netbook con XP con 1Gb di RAM che ha 2/3
          anni di vita e va come una freccia (non me
          l'aspettavo quando l'ho comprato e in effetti
          avevo intenzione di portarlo a 2Gb, ma non l'ho
          fatto mai perché non c'era
          bisogno).
          Ho acquistato l'altro giorno un netbook nuovo
          (quindi con hw migliore di quello che avevo)
          sempre con 1Gb di RAM e con Windows 7 Starter: va
          lento, lento, lento. Oggi pomeriggio vado a
          comprare la RAM e lo porto a 2Gb (con i quali mi
          dicono vada
          bene).
          • 123456 scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            persona computer ossia fare il tecnico personalmente per far funzionare il computer con windows7 altro che accendi e funziona. La prossima volta consiglierai di dissaldare qualche componente dalla scheda madre e di sostituirlo?
          • Jack Rackham scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: 123456
            persona computer ossia fare il tecnico
            personalmente per far funzionare il computer con
            windows7 altro che accendi e funziona. La
            prossima volta consiglierai di dissaldare qualche
            componente dalla scheda madre e di
            sostituirlo?Sei sul sito sbagliato, questo è punto informatico, tu forse cercavi il sito di ruppolo e sei finito qui, vero?--JackRackham
          • 123456 scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            No no sono sul sito giusto, Sei tu che sei indietro di 30 anni nella tua esperienza con l'informatica.Ancora pensi che per far funzionare un pc a dovere tu debba cercarti i driver direttamente dal costruttore dei componenti... siamo alla barzelletta.
          • bubba scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: 123456
            No no sono sul sito giusto, Sei tu che sei
            indietro di 30 anni nella tua esperienza con
            l'informatica.
            Ancora pensi che per far funzionare un pc a
            dovere tu debba cercarti i driver direttamente
            dal costruttore dei componenti... siamo alla
            barzelletta.si lo sappiamo. Grazie anche a gente come voi ora siamo nell'era delle gadget company, coadiuvate da robusto wallen garden ,geolocalizzazione e DRM. E, chiaramente, milioni di apps che si installano con un click senza niente sapere e vedere. Mh.. opps aspetta, questa descrizione mi pare si tagli perfettamente per un certo oggetto cosi' in voga oggi... ma e' per puro caso..
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: 123456
            Ancora pensi che per far funzionare un pc a
            dovere tu debba cercarti i driver direttamente
            dal costruttore dei componenti... siamo alla
            barzelletta.Ha un po esagerato dicendo di cercarsi i drivers direttamente sul sito dei produttori, però sicuramente la cosa migliore quando si compra un netbook/notebook è formattarlo e reinstallarlo ex novo e scaricarsi i drivers dal sito del produttore del net/notebook.Ah e nel caso dei Netbook approfittarne per togliere Win7 che è un mattone allucinante.. sopratutto quello preinstallato.. non ottimizzato e pieno di bloatware aggiunto
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            - Scritto da: 123456

            Ancora pensi che per far funzionare un pc a

            dovere tu debba cercarti i driver direttamente

            dal costruttore dei componenti... siamo alla

            barzelletta.
            Ha un po esagerato dicendo di cercarsi i drivers
            direttamente sul sito dei produttori, però
            sicuramente la cosa migliore quando si compra un
            netbook/notebook è formattarlo e reinstallarlo ex
            novo e scaricarsi i drivers dal sito del
            produttore del
            net/notebook.Così se poi non funziona bene non sai se dare la colpa ad un difetto hardware o alla tua installazione fai-da-te. Ovviamente la garanzia te la attacchi dove non batte il sole.
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: ruppolo
            Così se poi non funziona bene non sai se dare la
            colpa ad un difetto hardware o alla tua
            installazione fai-da-te. Ovviamente la garanzia
            te la attacchi dove non batte il
            sole.Se non funziona io SO trovare la causa (se hw o sw) e so agire di conseguenza, mai avuto un problema anche quando mi sono capitati quei rarissimi casi di problemi hw in garanzia (in questi giorni ho dovuto sostituire un barebone di 3 mesi di vita perchè non si accendeva più, presi i componenti da quello rotto (dvd-rw, ram , cpu + fan e hdd), inseriti sul modello identico nuovo che il mio fornitore mi ha fatto arrivare, verificato che tutto partito regolarmente e riportato al cliente.Comunque il messagio mio non era certo rivolto agli utonti che comprano il pc al supermercato.. non sarebbero mai in grado di fare tutto ciò, ma lo faccio io per loro, e ultima cosa, se ci sono problemi dopo che ho finito la preparazione mia particolare, i problemi (almeno ovviamente all'inizio, non dopo 1 anno dalla consegna) possono essere SOLO di natura hardware.
          • ruppolo scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            - Scritto da: ruppolo

            Così se poi non funziona bene non sai se dare la

            colpa ad un difetto hardware o alla tua

            installazione fai-da-te. Ovviamente la garanzia

            te la attacchi dove non batte il

            sole.
            Se non funziona io SO trovare la causa (se hw o
            sw) e so agire di conseguenza,Quindi se la causa è hardware, come ti comporti? Reinstalli tutto il software originale e lo riporti al venditore? E sei sicuro di poter replicare lo stesso problema con un sistema operativo differente?Poniamo che il difetto sia nella GPU: Windows XP non usa praticamente nulla, della GPU, mentre Windows 7 la utilizza per la sua GUI. Quindi?
            mai avuto un
            problema anche quando mi sono capitati quei
            rarissimi casi di problemi hw in garanzia (in
            questi giorni ho dovuto sostituire un barebone di
            3 mesi di vita perchè non si accendeva più, presi
            i componenti da quello rotto (dvd-rw, ram , cpu +
            fan e hdd), inseriti sul modello identico nuovo
            che il mio fornitore mi ha fatto arrivare,
            verificato che tutto partito regolarmente e
            riportato al
            cliente.E quanto gli è costato?
            Comunque il messagio mio non era certo rivolto
            agli utonti che comprano il pc al supermercato..
            non sarebbero mai in grado di fare tutto ciò, ma
            lo faccio io per loro, e ultima cosa, se ci sono
            problemi dopo che ho finito la preparazione mia
            particolare, i problemi (almeno ovviamente
            all'inizio, non dopo 1 anno dalla consegna)
            possono essere SOLO di natura
            hardware.Certo, ma il cliente non potrà portare il PC a far valere la garanzia, quindi dovrà passare per te. E quanto gli costa? O forse tu lavori gratis?
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: ruppolo
            Quindi se la causa è hardware, come ti comporti?
            Reinstalli tutto il software originale e lo
            riporti al venditore? E sei sicuro di poter
            replicare lo stesso problema con un sistema
            operativo
            differente?
            Poniamo che il difetto sia nella GPU: Windows XP
            non usa praticamente nulla, della GPU, mentre
            Windows 7 la utilizza per la sua GUI.
            Quindi?prendo il disco fisso del cliente, lo metto su una nuova macchina identica e metto il disco fisso che è arrivato con il pc nuovo nel pc rotto.cioè semplicemente li inverto

            mai avuto un

            problema anche quando mi sono capitati quei

            rarissimi casi di problemi hw in garanzia (in

            questi giorni ho dovuto sostituire un barebone
            di

            3 mesi di vita perchè non si accendeva più,
            presi

            i componenti da quello rotto (dvd-rw, ram , cpu
            +

            fan e hdd), inseriti sul modello identico nuovo

            che il mio fornitore mi ha fatto arrivare,

            verificato che tutto partito regolarmente e

            riportato al

            cliente.

            E quanto gli è costato?ZERO
            Certo, ma il cliente non potrà portare il PC a
            far valere la garanzia, quindi dovrà passare per
            te. E quanto gli costa? O forse tu lavori
            gratis?Sono io il rivenditore del cliente quindi passerà da me per forza e i lavori in garanzia si fanno gratis.al limite se è lontano, ti fai pagare la benzina..
          • Joe Tornado scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            E' quello che si è fatto per tanti anni : le architetture lo permettevano e, in base alle proprie conoscenze, gli utenti hanno potuto effetturare personalizzazioni. Ora, ok, con i giocattolini che ci hanno invaso negli ultimi anni è molto più difficile, perchè si cerca di limitare queste libertà, ma criticare uno che lo propone mi sembra veramente assurdo ...
          • Sgabbio scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            apple però è un eccezione :D
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: Jack Rackham
            Io ho installato Windows 7 Professional su un
            Acer AO531h (Atom N270 con 1Gb di ram) e va che è
            una bellezza, meglio dell'XP che era preinstallo
            di serie...Cioè tu hai messo Windows 7 prof. di tua scelta su un netbook?Pensare che io compro solo netbook dove posso togliere 7 per mettere xp (quindi che abbia i drivers del produttore Asus ufficiali)
          • caches scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: lroby
            - Scritto da: Jack Rackham

            Io ho installato Windows 7 Professional su un

            Acer AO531h (Atom N270 con 1Gb di ram) e va che
            è

            una bellezza, meglio dell'XP che era preinstallo

            di serie...
            Cioè tu hai messo Windows 7 prof. di tua scelta
            su un
            netbook?
            Pensare che io compro solo netbook dove posso
            togliere 7 per mettere xp (quindi che abbia i
            drivers del produttore Asus
            ufficiali)...per farci un fermacarte comodo...
          • lroby scrive:
            Re: 1 gb di ram?
            - Scritto da: caches

            Pensare che io compro solo netbook dove posso

            togliere 7 per mettere xp (quindi che abbia i

            drivers del produttore Asus

            ufficiali)
            ...per farci un fermacarte comodo...Ahahahahahaa... ma sai che è divertente?senti questa.. ci sono un'italiano, un'inglese e un francese...
        • lroby scrive:
          Re: 1 gb di ram?
          - Scritto da: Acquistator e
          Ho acquistato l'altro giorno un netbook nuovo
          (quindi con hw migliore di quello che avevo)
          sempre con 1Gb di RAM e con Windows 7 Starter: va
          lento, lento, lento. Oggi pomeriggio vado a
          comprare la RAM e lo porto a 2Gb (con i quali mi
          dicono vada
          bene).Ti hanno detto una caxxata, se vuoi maggiori dettagli scendi al mio post successivo (quello di risposta a Jack)
    • marco8323 scrive:
      Re: 1 gb di ram?
      - Scritto da: hacher
      aha aha aha e x una versione light si hanno
      bisogno 1 giga di ram?... aha aha
      ahahai ragione... ho un pc con xp dove da poco ho aumentato la ram da 256 a 768 mb... quindi meglio tenere xp ahahahah
    • Jacopo Monegato scrive:
      Re: 1 gb di ram?
      più che un giga di ram... schede video compatibili con DX9 o_O??? va oltre il mio pensiero di pc vecchio... io penso ai P3
      • billgates scrive:
        Re: 1 gb di ram?
        - Scritto da: Jacopo Monegato
        più che un giga di ram... schede video
        compatibili con DX9 o_O??? va oltre il mio
        pensiero di pc vecchio... io penso ai
        P3Girerà sul mio Olivetti Prodest PC1? Ha 512 Kb di ram...[img]http://kingofgng.com/media/20090107_olivetti_prodest_pc1.JPG[/img]
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