Carlucci, il DDL è a tutela dei minori?

La proposta di legge sfocia dal computer di un rappresentante dell'industria dei contenuti. Ma l'onorevole Carlucci si difende. L'avvocato Guido Scorza le risponde con una lettera aperta

Roma – L’onorevole Gabriella Carlucci ha offerto le proprie spiegazioni : la proposta di legge con cui sembrerebbe si voglia proibire l’anonimato in rete e garantire tutele all’industria dei contenuti ha l’obiettivo di tutelare i minori. A dimostrarlo, ci sarebbero proprio i dettagli delle proprietà dei file. La firma di Davide Rossi, fra l’altro Presidente di Univideo? Il DDL è frutto di una legittima collaborazione. In merito ai chiarimenti dell’onorevole, riceviamo e pubblichiamo la lettera aperta con cui l’avvocato Guido Scorza si rivolge a Carlucci.

Gentile Onorevole,

ho letto sulle pagine di Webnews le sue dichiarazioni in relazione alle polemiche seguite alla pubblicazione della Sua proposta di legge dal titolo “Internet territorio della libertà dei diritti e dei doveri”. Credo, innanzitutto, che non si possa che plaudire alla circostanza che abbia avvertito il bisogno di spiegare ai cittadini italiani che usano quotidianamente la Rete per informarsi ed informare quanto accaduto con riferimento alla redazione della citata proposta e, soprattutto, al fatto che lo abbia fatto con onestà riconoscendo che quel testo è il frutto dell’ispirazione di un Suo consulente che, solo per caso, è anche il Presidente di Univideo. Non c’è niente – o meglio non c’è, sfortunatamente, più nulla – per cui meravigliarsi o scandalizzarsi nell’idea che un disegno di legge esca dal PC di un’associazione di categoria anziché da quello di un parlamentare.

Ci sono, tuttavia, alcuni passaggi nella Sua dichiarazione di ieri che continuano a lasciarmi perplesso e che, in tutta franchezza, non credo meritino plausi ma, al contrario, biasimi fermi e sottolineati con forza. Mi riferisco al Suo tornare a sostenere che quella da Lei promossa possa essere effettivamente considerata un’iniziativa legislativa antipedofilia online. Non è così e non posso credere che tale ovvia circostanza sia sin qui sfuggita a Lei ed ai consulenti di cui si avvale.

La Sua è una proposta scritta dal Presidente di Univideo, nella quale si affrontano – e lo conferma anche Lei nelle Sue precisazioni di ieri – temi quali il diritto d’autore, l’applicabilità della disciplina sulla stampa, la diffamazione, la calunnia, le ingiurie nonché il tema dell’anonimato in Rete.

Cosa c’entra tutto ciò con la questione della pedofilia?

Da cittadino non posso accettare che un Onorevole della Repubblica tenti di giustificare un’iniziativa legislativa che si appare prefiggersi lo scopo di tutelare il portafoglio delle major dell’audiovisivo e di limitare l’esercizio della libertà di manifestazione del pensiero in Rete con l’alibi della lotta alla pedofilia, ovvero di uno dei crimini più gravi dei quali un uomo può macchiarsi e la cui semplice evocazione è in grado di toccare le corde più sensibili dell’animo di ciascuno. Perché non riconoscere che con quella proposta ha inteso tutelare interessi che Lei – e forse qualcuno dei Suoi elettori – evidentemente ritiene non sufficientemente tutelati nell’attuale contesto normativo?

C’è poi un’altra Sua affermazione che nel 2009, nel secolo della Rete, mi sarei augurato di non veder scrivere ad un nostro rappresentante.
È quella con cui chiude il Suo comunicato: “in ogni caso io vado avanti per la mia strada, sicura e conscia della bontà e la necessità della mia iniziativa”. Possibile che la ferma, civile e composta manifestazione di critica e dissenso registrata in Rete nelle ultime ore da parte di decine di migliaia o forse centinaia di migliaia di cittadini italiani non sia valsa neppure a far traballare le Sue sicurezze?

Nella Sua dichiarazione di ieri, infine, si augura che chi l’avrebbe “selvaggiamente offesa senza motivo abbia la compiacenza ed il buon gusto di” chiederle scusa. Mi auguro e credo di non essere tra coloro – se ce ne sono stati – che l’hanno “selvaggiamente offesa” ma se questo è quanto ha letto nelle mie parole, Le chiedo sinceramente perdono ma, solo, per aver capito bene quanto era accaduto e per averlo voluto raccontare…esercitando, sin tanto che sarà possibile, la libertà di manifestazione del pensiero che, come saprà, è già stata definita dalla nostra Corte Costituzionale “pietra angolare della democrazia”.

La ringrazio ancora per aver accettato il confronto in Rete e con la Rete e Le invio i miei più cordiali saluti,

Guido Scorza
www.guidoscorza.it

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  • nome e cognome scrive:
    ma questa falla quando verrà chiusa?
    http://secunia.com/advisories/33954/
  • Pino scrive:
    errore nel titolo
    "Acrobat reader" non esiste più, ora si chiama "Adobe reader"
    • pabloski scrive:
      Re: errore nel titolo
      che poi non ho mai capito perchè gli hanno cambiato nome....acrobat a livello marketing era più penetrante come marchio
  • gnulinux86 scrive:
    La patch che sostituisce la patch.
    La vulnerabilità corretta in questionehttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS09-006.mspxNon fa altro che sostituire la patch rilasciata lo scorso ottobre:http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-061.mspxIn poche parole 5 mesi per rendersi conto, che la patch non aveva risolto il problema, mah......Meno male che stiamo parlando di un problema di sicurezza grave che coinvolge tutte le versioni di Windows in ciclo vitale, chi sa se questa volta la patch risolverà il problema!?-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 11 marzo 2009 09.58-----------------------------------------------------------
    • RealEnneci scrive:
      Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
      Ma cosa deve risolvere...Il bello è che sti fanatici del closed ce la menano con la sicurezza... e poi si fanno bucare senza bisogno di vedere il sorgente...Che demenza...
    • Steve Austin scrive:
      Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
      Modificato dall' autore il 11 marzo 2009 09.58
      --------------------------------------------------Cannato tutto caro mio, son due cose completamente diverse:ti metto la versione italianahttp://www.microsoft.com/italy/technet/security/bulletin/ms09-006.mspxhttp://www.microsoft.com/italy/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-061.mspx
      • gnulinux86 scrive:
        Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
        Hai cannato tu, che forse non sai leggere il contenuto dei bollettini, guarda ne parlano anche qui:http://www.megalab.it/4308/bollettino-microsoft---marzo-2009
        • Steve Austin scrive:
          Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
          - Scritto da: gnulinux86
          Hai cannato tu, che forse non sai leggere il
          contenuto dei bollettini, guarda ne parlano
          anche
          qui:

          http://www.megalab.it/4308/bollettino-microsoft---Leggi il sito microsoft per favore c'é scritto tutt'altro
          • gnulinux86 scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            Ho capito avevo ragione non sai leggere i bollettini.
          • logicaMente scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            non avevo letto i post sottostanti.-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 11 marzo 2009 12.46-----------------------------------------------------------
        • Steve Austin scrive:
          Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
          Anzi te lo riporto:Bollettino Microsoft sulla sicurezza MS08-061Questo aggiornamento per la protezione risolve una vulnerabilità divulgata pubblicamente e due vulnerabilità segnalate privatamente del kernel di Windows. Sfruttando queste vulnerabilità, un utente malintenzionato locale potrebbe assumere il pieno controllo del sistema interessato. Tali vulnerabilità non possono essere sfruttate in remoto o da utenti anonimi.Bollettino Microsoft sulla sicurezza MS09-006Questo aggiornamento per la protezione risolve diverse vulnerabilità del kernel di Windows, che sono state segnalate privatamente a Microsoft. La più grave di tali vulnerabilità può consentire l'esecuzione di codice in modalità remota se un utente visualizza un file di immagine EMF o WMF appositamente predisposto all'interno di un sistema interessato.
          • gnulinux86 scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            Ma non capisci proprio, la patch sostituisce la patch, non la falla, cercherò di darti maggiori info.Forse non hai capito che questo bollettino:http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS09-006.mspxRisolve 2 vulnerabilità, 1 di esecuzione di codice in modalità remota e 2 di elevazioni di privilegi:http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-0081http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-0082http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-0083Tra le quali c'è la stessa vulnerabilità corretta(per modo di dire) nel bollettino di ottobre 2008:http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS08-061.mspx-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 11 marzo 2009 10.34-----------------------------------------------------------
          • Steve Austin scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            Si ho visto con calma e aggiorna la patch precedente mea culpa
          • pentolino scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            bravo, raro esempio di fair play
    • pentolino scrive:
      Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
      cosa se ne deduce? Che con tutta probabilità quel componente è una baracca e sarebbe probabilmente il caso di riscriverlo da zero; non lo fanno per ovvi motivi (ovvero come hai scritto tu e come riportato nell' articolo): andrebbe testato su un miliardo di configurazioni, col rischio tra l' altro di introdurre problemi anche peggiori.Insomma una situazione con la quale chi usa Windows dovrà convivere... immaginati quanto sono preoccupato io! :-D(linux)(apple)
      • advange scrive:
        Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
        - Scritto da: pentolino
        cosa se ne deduce? Che con tutta probabilità quel
        componente è una baracca e sarebbe probabilmente
        il caso di riscriverlo da zeroBravo: è quello che stavo cercando di spiegare a "nome e cognome" in questo post: http://punto-informatico.it/b.aspx?i=2570811&m=2572053#p2572053I tempi per risolvere un bug sono direttamente correlati alla bontà del SW: questo un vero informatico lo sa.Quanto peggio è scritto un SW tanto più difficile è apportare correzioni; e spesso la correzione stessa non fa altro che aggiungere altri errori.
        • pentolino scrive:
          Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
          esatto, era proprio quello che intendevo. Putroppo come ho scritto il fatto di riscrivere il componente, data la sua diffusione a macchia su ogni versione di windows del 21o secolo, rappresenta più rischi che vantaggi, quindi si rimarrà con questa situazione, con buona pace degli utenti windows.
        • nome e cognome scrive:
          Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.

          http://punto-informatico.it/b.aspx?i=2570811&m=257
          I tempi per risolvere un bug sono direttamente
          correlati alla bontà del SW: questo un vero
          informatico lo
          sa.In realtà questo lo sanno tutti, quello che i veri informatici sanno è che generalmente il tempo per risolvere un bug è una frazione di quello richiesto per testare la patch. E che il tempo necessario a testare la patch è direttamente proporzionale alla diffusione del prodotto.
          Quanto peggio è scritto un SW tanto più difficile
          è apportare correzioni; e spesso la correzione
          stessa non fa altro che aggiungere altri
          errori.Infatti è il motivo per cui il kernel di linux riceve aggiornamenti praticamente ogni giorno e per cui buona parte delle macchine in produzione usano ancora il kernel 2.4 o addirittura 2.2.
          • pabloski scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            - Scritto da: nome e cognome
            In realtà questo lo sanno tutti, quello che i
            veri informatici sanno è che generalmente il
            tempo per risolvere un bug è una frazione di
            quello richiesto per testare la patch. E che il
            tempo necessario a testare la patch è
            direttamente proporzionale alla diffusione del
            prodotto.

            mmm vediamo, il tempo necessario per correggere un bug è una frazione di quello richiesto per testare la patch...beh può anche starci, ma dipende molto dalla poca eleganza del software....in generale software i cui moduli sono compartimentalizzati non esce di testa appena si patcha qualcosae comunque la diffusione non c'entra, o meglio c'entra sempre nel caso in cui i moduli siano interdipendenti a basso livello, il software segue mille rivoli per supportare 10.000 situazioni diverse...nel caso degli OS il problema c'è perchè i progettisti di hardware amano introdurre bug strani e comportamenti anomali nelle loro macchineperò più l'OS è scritto male più la patch a possibilità di far danni

            Quanto peggio è scritto un SW tanto più
            difficile

            è apportare correzioni; e spesso la correzione

            stessa non fa altro che aggiungere altri

            errori.

            Infatti è il motivo per cui il kernel di linux
            riceve aggiornamenti praticamente ogni giorno e
            per cui buona parte delle macchine in produzione
            usano ancora il kernel 2.4 o addirittura
            2.2.e questa dove l'hai sentita? gli aggiornamenti vengono proposti ogni tot mesi, i bugfix sono ovviamente un altro paio di maniche, vanno diffusi il prima possibile, altrimenti i russi potrebbero approfittarne :De comunque da 2 anni che uso linux su qualsiasi tipo di hardware non ho mai avuto un problema dovuto ad una patch o un bugfixinfine dove l'hai visto Linux 2.4??? io sono anni che non ne vedo uno, tranne laddove è necessario usarlo per motivi di compatibilità col middleware e col software applicativo
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            Scusatemi ancora ho scritto un altra cavolata, il kernel 2.26.28.7, non esiste, cioè non è un kernel linux, il kernel 2.26.28.7 è una mia creazione.
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            - Scritto da: nome e cognome
            Scusatemi ancora ho scritto un altra cavolata, il
            kernel 2.26.28.7, non esiste, cioè non è un
            kernel linux, il kernel 2.26.28.7 è una mia
            creazione.E funziona molto meglio di quello ufficiale ...
          • logicaMente scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            - Scritto da: nome e cognome


            http://punto-informatico.it/b.aspx?i=2570811&m=257

            I tempi per risolvere un bug sono direttamente

            correlati alla bontà del SW: questo un vero

            informatico lo

            sa.

            In realtà questo lo sanno tutti, quello che i
            veri informatici sanno Si, vediamo cosa sanno, questi "veri informatici"...
            è che generalmente il
            tempo per risolvere un bug è una frazione di
            quello richiesto per testare la patch. ...si, potrebbe avere senso: il tempo per "risolvere un bug" coincide con il tempo che ci si mette a scrivere la patch. La correttezza del software è un problema in NP... diciamo che, si, ci può stare.
            E che il
            tempo necessario a testare la patch è
            direttamente proporzionale alla diffusione del
            prodotto.... ma da quale manuale di ingegneria del software hai tirato fuori questa perla? Come fa il tempo richiesto per il testing di un software a dipendere da una variabile "esterna" al software stesso, come la sua diffusione. È una sciocchezza bella e buona.
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            tanto test da fare. Cosa credi che succeda quando MS appronta una patch? La rilascia e basta in giornata come fa mongozilla (non più ormai)? O la manda (a seconda dei casi) ad alcuni clienti importanti, software house, system integrator e produttori di hw? So che nei manuali di ingegneria del software purtroppo non scrivono come funziona nella vita reale... ma si usa anche il goto.
          • logicaMente scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            tanto test da fare.Ecco...
            Cosa credi
            che succeda quando MS appronta una patch? Mi piacerebbe saperlo, davvero...
            La
            rilascia e basta in giornata come fa mongozilla
            (non più ormai)? No, e questo si vede: aspetta mesi, anni a volte.
            O la manda (a seconda dei casi)
            ad alcuni clienti importanti, software house,
            system integrator e produttori di hw?Chissà come può succedere che allora rilasci una patch per Office e, poche ore dopo, debba rilasciarne un'altra per evitare il blocco dei desktop che l'hanno installata... :)
            So che nei manuali di ingegneria del software
            purtroppo non scrivono come funziona nella vita
            reale... Si dovrebbe averli letti, per saperlo.
            ma si usa anche il
            goto.A Redmond lo usano molto, non c'è dubbio. E si vede.
          • rockroll scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.

            ma si usa anche il
            goto.A Redmond lo usano molto, non c'è dubbio. E si vede. Condivido il tuo intervento e ti do ragione su tutto, ma non su questa frase ultima che ho riportato: a parte il fatto che l'HW lavora su istruzioni di macchina che non possono fare assolutamente a meno del Branch ad indirizzo (il goto per il pubblico), hai mai provato quanto sia difficile seguire in un sorgente di un linguaggio come quelli che vanno tanto di moda la logica di certi assurdi bisticci di condizioni e controcondizioni annidate, mentre con anche un solo "goto" diventerebbe tutto assai più chiaro? (un "goto" quando ci vuole ci vuole).
          • rockroll scrive:
            Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
            @ nome e cognomeVeramente un software più diffuso viene testato esternamente più rapidamente perchè maggiore è il numero dei testanti, se la logica ha un senso!Ma quel che non quaglia e quell'esternamente: anche qui logica vuole che il patchante, che dovrebbe sapere bene quel che patcha, sia anche il testante, ossia che sia lui a crearsi i cosidetti "giochi prova", ovvero le simulazioni mirate delle più svariate condizioni di lavoro che possono mettere in crisi il suo intervento, piuttosto che demandare ad altri all'esterno la verifica assolutamente euristica dei suoi pasticci..., come pretende di fare da sempre la sacra ineffabile monopolista intoccabile...
        • pabloski scrive:
          Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
          - Scritto da: advange
          Bravo: è quello che stavo cercando di spiegare a
          "nome e cognome" in questo post:
          http://punto-informatico.it/b.aspx?i=2570811&m=257impresa che va dall'arduo all'impossibile :D
          I tempi per risolvere un bug sono direttamente
          correlati alla bontà del SW: questo un vero
          informatico lo
          sa.
          Quanto peggio è scritto un SW tanto più difficile
          è apportare correzioni; e spesso la correzione
          stessa non fa altro che aggiungere altri
          errori.no, secondo lui è un problema di hardware, non di software....ovviamente fa tutt'una serie di giri di parole solo per affermare che Windows è figo, è er meglio, è scritto da un genio chiamato Gates ( si l'ha scritto tutto da solo )e Linux invece, puah, che schifo, sempre patch, bugfix, aggiornamenti del kernel...ma no, ma che schifo....peccato per lui che in 2 anni nessuno di quelli aggiornamenti, bugfix, ecc.... abbia mai creato problemi
    • Non ho voglia di loggarmi scrive:
      Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
      che palle sti linari del cavolo... dai, usate il vostro linux che vi piace tanto, divertitevi a ricompilare il kernel mentre cercate di far funzionare il vostro scanner e piantatela di buttare XXXXX su un sistema operativo che, pur con tutti i suoi difetti, funziona!
      • krane scrive:
        Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
        - Scritto da: Non ho voglia di loggarmi
        che palle sti linari del cavolo... dai, usate il
        vostro linux che vi piace tanto, divertitevi a
        ricompilare il kernel mentre cercate di far
        funzionare il vostro scanner e piantatela di
        buttare XXXXX su un sistema operativo che, pur
        con tutti i suoi difetti, funziona!Perche' altrimenti ci scrivi un virus ???
      • gnulinux86 scrive:
        Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
        Guarda che discutere su dati certi, non significa "buttare XXXXX".Se poi tu sei un Ms fanboys suscettibile è un altro discroso.
      • panda rossa scrive:
        Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
        - Scritto da: Non ho voglia di loggarmi
        che palle sti linari del cavolo... dai, usate il
        vostro linux che vi piace tanto, divertitevi a
        ricompilare il kernel mentre cercate di far
        funzionare il vostro scanner e piantatela di
        buttare XXXXX su un sistema operativo che, pur
        con tutti i suoi difetti,
        funziona!E' vero, posso garantire che funziona.Qualcuno ha appena scaricato il file wmf appositamente modificato che ho messo in linea, e sono riuscito a farmi mandare il suo file boot.iniFunziona proprio a meraviglia.Adesso provo a vedere se riesco a farmi mandare qualcosa di piu' significativo.
      • pabloski scrive:
        Re: La patch che sostituisce la patch.
        e s'impalla di brutto se qualche driver non s'installa correttamente :Dcosa capitata ad un amico la settimana scorsa....e ho dovuto risolvere riformattando il tutto, cosa che in genere evito di fare a tutti i costi, ma non c'era versook era un'incompatibilità tra il driver nforce e quello realtek, risolta durante la seconda installazione usando le ultime versioni scaricate dai rispettivi siti webperò cavolo, windows non era il mago dell'hardware, quello che corregge i driver al volo? pare di no....dunque la sua decantata facilità è dovuta tutta ai produttori che si fanno il c**o per far andare il loro hardwaree comunque la maggior parte delle periferiche ormai funziona pure su linux....e globalmente linux supporta più periferiche di windowsquindi, non vedo proprio di che cavolo ti vanti
  • pentolino scrive:
    No problema
    Siccome vituperare l' infame componente di windows che permette la gioia degli hacker di tutto il mondo sarebbe come sparare sulla croce rossa, mi limito a dire: nessun problema per me.(linux)(apple)
    • Steve Austin scrive:
      Re: No problema
      - Scritto da: pentolino
      Siccome vituperare l' infame componente di
      windows che permette la gioia degli hacker di
      tutto il mondo sarebbe come sparare sulla croce
      rossa, mi limito a dire: nessun problema per
      me.
      (linux)(apple)E insomma anche apple ha le sue rognette di sicurezzahttp://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222?viewlocale=it_ITChe poi non vengano sfruttate é un'altro discorso.Ma nessuno problema proprio tanto vero non é.
      • pentolino scrive:
        Re: No problema
        il "nessun problema" era riferito alle falle elencate nell' articolo: semplicemente non uso nessuno dei software coinvolte.Che poi il mac non sia l' isola felice che alcuni su questo forum predicano sono assolutamente d' accordo; però hanno ragione a dire che disastri in stile blaster su mac e linux non se ne sono ancora MAI visti, mentre su windows sono all' ordine del giorno, mitigati in parte dalla diffusione di antivurs e firewall, abbastanza inutili (al momento) su mac e linux.
  • MAH scrive:
    Falla severa del Kernel?
    Già una falla grave nel kernel è qualcosa che non dovrebbe verificarsi, poi se quesya falla è presente da win200 a Vista è qualcosa di orribile, ma come è possibile una cosa simile?
    • tuo commento scrive:
      Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
      - Scritto da: MAH
      Già una falla grave nel kernel è qualcosa che non
      dovrebbe verificarsi, poi se quesya falla è
      presente da win200 a Vista è qualcosa di
      orribile, ma come è possibile una cosa
      simile?E' possibile quando non vengono calcolate tutte le debolezze.Del resto i programmi li fanno gli esseri umani, non le macchine. E anche le macchine sbagliano.E' normale dai.
      • RealEnneci scrive:
        Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
        - Scritto da: tuo commento
        - Scritto da: MAH

        Già una falla grave nel kernel è qualcosa che
        non

        dovrebbe verificarsi, poi se quesya falla è

        presente da win200 a Vista è qualcosa di

        orribile, ma come è possibile una cosa

        simile?

        E' possibile quando non vengono calcolate tutte
        le
        debolezze.
        Del resto i programmi li fanno gli esseri umani,
        non le macchine. E anche le macchine
        sbagliano.
        E' normale dai.Si si, è proprio normale... ora venite a fare la morale dicendo che i programmatori sono umani, che sbagliare è umano ecc...Se fosse capitata su Linux sarebbe stato un insulto unico...Invece la m$ no... lei può sbagliare... certo, ti vende una versione successiva del S.O. spacciandola come superfiga e innovativa, e poi si porta i bug di 3-4 versioni precedenti...Secondo me non è normale.. poi fate voi... tanto qua si ragiona a brand, se non sei brand sei out...
      • gnulinux86 scrive:
        Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
        Normale!? :|Una falla critica nel Kernel che affligge tutte le versione di Windows in life cycle sarebbe normale?Stiamo parlando di una falla, che era stata già corretta ad ottobre 2008:http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-061.mspxDopo 5 mesi si son sresi conto che la patch non aveva risolto nulla e ne rilasciano una altra:http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS09-006.mspxe questo sarebbe normale?
        • claudio scrive:
          Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
          - Scritto da: gnulinux86
          Una falla critica nel Kernel che affligge tutte
          le versione di Windows in life cycle sarebbe
          normale?
          è così anche per linux.
          Stiamo parlando di una falla, che era stata già
          corretta ad ottobre
          2008:la falla è diversa.
          • gnulinux86 scrive:
            Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
            Anche su Linux??La fonte di questa tua affermazione?Comunque devi impare a leggere i bolletini sicurezza Microsoft.Forse non hai capito che questo bollettino:http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS09-006.mspxRisolve 2 vulnerabilità, 1 di esecuzione di codice in modalità remota e 2 di elevazioni di privilegi:http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-0081http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-0082http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-0083Tra le quali c'è la stessa vulnerabilità corretta(per modo di dire) nel bollettino di ottobre 2008:http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS08-061.mspx
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
            - Scritto da: gnulinux86
            Anche su Linux??

            La fonte di questa tua affermazione?Toh eccone una fresca fresca (vatti a leggere il changelog)commit 14da78c411a1218764439c0004f0ea2b7d0c0c4c
          • gnulinux86 scrive:
            Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
            Non ho chiesto fonti frutto del tuo delirio, ma dati certi, quindi se hai delle info su queste presunte falle gravi(che conosci solo tu) del Kernel Linux, postale.-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 11 marzo 2009 19.22-----------------------------------------------------------
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
            Modificato dall' autore il 11 marzo 2009 19.22
            --------------------------------------------------Ahahah ... aspetta, non voglio farti troppo male: quello è il codice delle patch del kernel, presa proprio dal changelog del kernel 2.6.28.7. Ti basta andare su kernel.org (sai cosa si trova su questo sito giusto?)Ormai è chiaro... avete installato lamebuntu, lo bootate solo quando vengono gli amichetti a casa e poi lo spegnete subito per tornare a postare sul forum con windows.
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
            Scusatemi ho scritto una XXXXXXX, non riuscendo a trovare i link, dovevo pur scrivere qualcosa.
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
            - Scritto da: nome e cognome
            Scusatemi ho scritto una XXXXXXX, non riuscendo a
            trovare i link, dovevo pur scrivere
            qualcosa.Povero lameretto ... http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.28.7
          • nome e cognome scrive:
            Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
            se non trovate falle gravi come quelle di windows non prendetevela con me.http://secunia.com/advisories/33954/
      • pabloski scrive:
        Re: Falla severa del Kernel?
        peccato che nella news di ieri sulle falle di firefox, i troll winari non la pensassero come te :Dcomunque è vero che nessun software è perfetto, del resto è impossibile creare un software perfetto, però MS rasenta il ridicolo, con vulnerabilità RCE che durano decenni....gli unici felici di questo andazzo sono i russi di warezov
  • Uscita patch scrive:
    Uscito oggi Acrobat Reader 9.1
    La patch, e anche Acrobat Reader 9.1 è uscito proprio oggi, non entro la fine della prossima settimana come dice l'articolo.;-)
  • vac scrive:
    Alternative....
    wmf - EMF -
    *.svg (inkscape)Acrobt Reader -
    Foxit Reader
    • claudio scrive:
      Re: Alternative....
      - Scritto da: vac
      wmf - EMF -
      *.svg (inkscape)guarda che se Windows supportasse nativamente il formato svg, si scoprirebbero falle anche li. Le falle non dipendono dal prodotto, ma ci sono dappertutto, basta solo volerle cercare. Siccome WMF è installato su ogni PC, è chiaro che ci si concentra a sfondare quello...
      • pabloski scrive:
        Re: Alternative....
        mah, il discorso della diffusione francamente è una leggenda metropolitanaieri su PI è apparso un articolo che parlava dei bug di FF e si faceva notare il numero esorbitante...come la mettiamo? FF non è il più diffusoovviamente tutti i winari pronti a scagliarsi contro FF, peccato che la gravità dei bug di IE è molto superiore, senza contare che il primo è opensource, il secondo noin sostanza è mille volte più facile trovare bug in Linux che in Windows....per esempio sarebbe comodo sfondare i server web Linux per sparare malware, invece stranamente vengono sfondati i server Windows ( che hanno uno share di molto inferiore )....come mai?mah, misteri dei numeri :D
    • claudio scrive:
      Re: Alternative....
      - Scritto da: vac
      Acrobt Reader -
      Foxit Readerio non lo farei se fossi in te... (rotfl)Foxit Reader Multiple VulnerabilitiesCritical: Highly critical Impact: System accessWhere: From remote http://secunia.com/advisories/34036/
      • gnulinux86 scrive:
        Re: Alternative....
        Guarda che hai postato un link dove si evince che tali problemi sono stati risolti.-----------------------------------------------------------Modificato dall' autore il 11 marzo 2009 10.01-----------------------------------------------------------
        • claudio scrive:
          Re: Alternative....
          - Scritto da: gnulinux86
          Guarda che hai postato un link dove si evince che
          tali problemi sono stati
          risolti.quindi vuol dire che c'erano, così come c'erano in Windows
          • gnulinux86 scrive:
            Re: Alternative....
            Cosa centra Windows, tu stavi sconsigliando di usare Foxit Reader, per via di vulnerabilità corrette.
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